Luger ID help Photos included

243winxb · 11-13-2018, 09:17 AM

Emailed to me . Lady would like a selling price. I want to know the history. Thank you. From Lady>

The luger has S.Anh.4 on the handle and a no. 6863 on the handle and 1920-1912. And another no. 6854

DonVoigt · 11-13-2018, 10:28 AM

You show a 1912 mfg. DWM made P08; a military WWI luger taken into police service after the war.
The 1920 is a Weimar property marking; the S.Anh.4. is the police marking for the Schupo of Anhalt weapon #4.

There is much more info in the stickies.

With two different numbers mentioned the pistol may be mismatched, but the pictures are not good enough to tell and don't show the serial numbers on the barrel or frame front, or these two mentioned. There is info in the stickys in the New Collector sub forum that will give you an idea of the pictures needed to evaluate the pistol.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=31977

Better pictures are needed to get a "value". I collect police lugers and may be interested in it, so will not "price" is and leave that to someone else.

Price/value on lugers is highly variable depending on condition of the luger, and where/how/when you sell it and of course how "popular" the specific variation is.

Ron Wood · 11-13-2018, 10:59 AM

Just in case you are unfamiliar with the term "Schupo" that Don mentioned, it is a popular abbreviation for "Schutzpolizei" or "protection police" in post-WWI Germany. It was roughly equivalent to what we would call state police today.
Ron

RichSr · 11-13-2018, 01:31 PM

I believe it is safe to say the upper and lower are mismatched as a 1912 dated DWM would have a smooth backstrap (without a stock lug) Frame could be Erfurt since the trigger and magazine catch are so marked.

mrerick · 11-13-2018, 03:45 PM

Has this Luger been chromed or nickle plated? If so, because it's got zero original finish whether it's matching or not the value is considerably reduced.

If it is refinished and functions properly, value is around $600-$650. If it's in original finish but mismatched, it's worth a hundred or so more.

HerrKaiser · 11-13-2018, 11:18 PM

Doesn’t look chromed or nickeled to me. Just not much blueing left.

243winxb · 11-14-2018, 09:48 AM

Thank you for the info so far. The Luger, being from 1912, must be a well built firearm to last that long.

The lady replied when ask for more photo, but didn't include any. Busy with her deceased husband estate, i guess.

The photos posted above were edited by me, making them lighter to see the markings. On my computer they are almost black. On the table, they are brighter. Here are the original photo i received by email. Hope this helps. Thank you.

mrerick · 11-14-2018, 10:02 AM

I suppose it could be a thoroughly worn off finish, but that is so reflective (even considering the flash) that the picture of the top of the receiver looks like it's been plated. Look at the pattern of ribbing around the knobs.

You'll need better pictures taken in natural light without a flash to show the finish more accurately. You could ask her if it's silver or black in color. Any portion that has been plated this way affects it's value. Note that small parts are normally ina gold color (called "strawing").

You can find pictures of an original finish Luger in our FAQ document (follow the link) or in a number of posts here.

In any case, the values remain as i mentioned.

4 Scale · 11-14-2018, 08:52 PM

Because the upper and lower do not match, no matter what other parts match most collectors would consider it a shooter and that limits the value. However from the last photos it seems to have significant finish remaining and it may even be original finish. Absent better photos it's hard to say value. I look at lots of shooters and buy way too many; IMO actual shooter sales tend to run about $1,000 and go lower and higher based on condition. More discussion of shooter values here http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=39023

lugerholsterrepair · 11-14-2018, 09:57 PM

Looks like a high polish re blue to me...Might not be but that's what it looks like.

243winxb · 11-15-2018, 11:49 AM

From lady on selling price.

Quote:

Might see what the one dealer he (husband) used , says.

Thanks you for the link on used value.

Without seeing in person , would this Luger be a 9mm or 7.65 ?

hayhugh · 11-15-2018, 12:27 PM

Stick a pencell down the barrel - if it rattles around its 9mm - if tight 30 luger.

Robert in NC · 11-15-2018, 12:33 PM

I would be very surprised if it was not 9mm, although it could have been re-barreled I suppose. It started life as a 9mm. As to what a dealer says, it depends if he/she is familiar with Lugers, some people think "Its a Luger, so its worth a lot of money". Personally I wouldn't go over $500, but that's partly because I don't like double-dated Lugers, other would certainly differ.

Edward Tinker · 11-15-2018, 01:23 PM

I would have the lady say to the dealer, I am not sure I want to sell today, but how much would you give me cash price today. If he states a higher amount than $1000 - she should sell it to him. If he says like $400 to $600 - then she should sell it to you for a bit more.

Ed

lugerholsterrepair · 11-15-2018, 05:09 PM

It's an interesting pistol with a unit mark..condition/re blue? and mismatch hurt..I doubt a store front dealer would offer more than $400. IF he knows what he's looking at. He might not know Luger's that well and offer more but I doubt it.

243winxb · 11-18-2018, 08:51 PM

The Luger was sold to a local dealer for $750. The dealer described the finish as "polished" , with a "good barrel".

Thank you for the help.

11-13-2018, 09:17 AM	#1
243winxb New User Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Hopewell Big Woods, Pa. Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger ID help Photos included Emailed to me . Lady would like a selling price. I want to know the history. Thank you. From Lady> The luger has S.Anh.4 on the handle and a no. 6863 on the handle and 1920-1912. And another no. 6854 Attached Thumbnails

11-13-2018, 10:28 AM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	You show a 1912 mfg. DWM made P08; a military WWI luger taken into police service after the war. The 1920 is a Weimar property marking; the S.Anh.4. is the police marking for the Schupo of Anhalt weapon #4. There is much more info in the stickies. With two different numbers mentioned the pistol may be mismatched, but the pictures are not good enough to tell and don't show the serial numbers on the barrel or frame front, or these two mentioned. There is info in the stickys in the New Collector sub forum that will give you an idea of the pictures needed to evaluate the pistol. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=31977 Better pictures are needed to get a "value". I collect police lugers and may be interested in it, so will not "price" is and leave that to someone else. Price/value on lugers is highly variable depending on condition of the luger, and where/how/when you sell it and of course how "popular" the specific variation is. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-13-2018, 10:59 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Just in case you are unfamiliar with the term "Schupo" that Don mentioned, it is a popular abbreviation for "Schutzpolizei" or "protection police" in post-WWI Germany. It was roughly equivalent to what we would call state police today. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-13-2018, 03:45 PM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Has this Luger been chromed or nickle plated? If so, because it's got zero original finish whether it's matching or not the value is considerably reduced. If it is refinished and functions properly, value is around $600-$650. If it's in original finish but mismatched, it's worth a hundred or so more. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-13-2018, 11:18 PM	#6
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	Doesn’t look chromed or nickeled to me. Just not much blueing left. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

11-13-2018, 01:31 PM	#4
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 128 Thanks: 153 Thanked 54 Times in 36 Posts	I believe it is safe to say the upper and lower are mismatched as a 1912 dated DWM would have a smooth backstrap (without a stock lug) Frame could be Erfurt since the trigger and magazine catch are so marked. __________________ Rich

11-14-2018, 09:48 AM	#7
243winxb New User Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Hopewell Big Woods, Pa. Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you for the info so far. The Luger, being from 1912, must be a well built firearm to last that long. The lady replied when ask for more photo, but didn't include any. Busy with her deceased husband estate, i guess. The photos posted above were edited by me, making them lighter to see the markings. On my computer they are almost black. On the table, they are brighter. Here are the original photo i received by email. Hope this helps. Thank you. Attached Thumbnails

11-14-2018, 10:02 AM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	I suppose it could be a thoroughly worn off finish, but that is so reflective (even considering the flash) that the picture of the top of the receiver looks like it's been plated. Look at the pattern of ribbing around the knobs. You'll need better pictures taken in natural light without a flash to show the finish more accurately. You could ask her if it's silver or black in color. Any portion that has been plated this way affects it's value. Note that small parts are normally ina gold color (called "strawing"). You can find pictures of an original finish Luger in our FAQ document (follow the link) or in a number of posts here. In any case, the values remain as i mentioned. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-14-2018, 08:52 PM	#9
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	Because the upper and lower do not match, no matter what other parts match most collectors would consider it a shooter and that limits the value. However from the last photos it seems to have significant finish remaining and it may even be original finish. Absent better photos it's hard to say value. I look at lots of shooters and buy way too many; IMO actual shooter sales tend to run about $1,000 and go lower and higher based on condition. More discussion of shooter values here http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=39023 Last edited by Edward Tinker; 11-15-2018 at 05:15 PM.

11-14-2018, 09:57 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Looks like a high polish re blue to me...Might not be but that's what it looks like. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-15-2018, 12:27 PM	#12
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Stick a pencell down the barrel - if it rattles around its 9mm - if tight 30 luger.

11-15-2018, 12:33 PM	#13
Robert in NC User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: North Carolina Posts: 32 Thanks: 32 Thanked 22 Times in 11 Posts	I would be very surprised if it was not 9mm, although it could have been re-barreled I suppose. It started life as a 9mm. As to what a dealer says, it depends if he/she is familiar with Lugers, some people think "Its a Luger, so its worth a lot of money". Personally I wouldn't go over $500, but that's partly because I don't like double-dated Lugers, other would certainly differ.

11-15-2018, 01:23 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I would have the lady say to the dealer, I am not sure I want to sell today, but how much would you give me cash price today. If he states a higher amount than $1000 - she should sell it to him. If he says like $400 to $600 - then she should sell it to you for a bit more. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-15-2018, 05:09 PM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	It's an interesting pistol with a unit mark..condition/re blue? and mismatch hurt..I doubt a store front dealer would offer more than $400. IF he knows what he's looking at. He might not know Luger's that well and offer more but I doubt it. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-18-2018, 08:51 PM	#16
243winxb New User Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Hopewell Big Woods, Pa. Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Luger was sold to a local dealer for $750. The dealer described the finish as "polished" , with a "good barrel". Thank you for the help.