Double Unit Marks

Dick Herman · 03-11-2019, 05:33 PM

My 1911 Erfurt Model 1908 has two sets of unit marks. One set of marks is “177.R.” The other set is Xed out “12.T.S.1.169.”
I will appreciate help interpreting these unit marks.

George Anderson · 03-11-2019, 06:42 PM

177th Regiment and 12th Train Sanitaets Battalion, 1st company, weapon 169. The latter is an ambulance unit.

Dick Herman · 03-11-2019, 08:25 PM

Thank you George. Do you think the Lugers were carried by train personnel and not medical staff?

Norme · 03-11-2019, 09:02 PM

Imperial German medical staff were armed, they smoked too.

Dwight Gruber · 03-12-2019, 01:27 AM

"Train" as in logistical transport formation, not RR.

--Dwight

LU1900 · 03-13-2019, 09:52 PM

I have his brother
12.T.S.1.32 for erfurt 1911 sn 1799
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Could you tell the sn from yours

DonVoigt · 03-13-2019, 10:43 PM

I have a 1912 Erfurt with "12.T.S.3.208." canceled, then added "106.S.7.22" also canceled, and finally "96.R.10.6"- which is not canceled.

It also arrived here in a converted Reichsrevolver holster.

A luger that really "got around".

Dick Herman · 03-14-2019, 12:49 AM

The serial number of my 1911 Erfurt Model 1908 with the unit marks “177.R” and the Xed out “12.T.S.1.169” is 2986.

03-11-2019, 05:33 PM	#1
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	Double Unit Marks My 1911 Erfurt Model 1908 has two sets of unit marks. One set of marks is “177.R.” The other set is Xed out “12.T.S.1.169.” I will appreciate help interpreting these unit marks.

03-11-2019, 09:02 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Imperial German medical staff were armed, they smoked too. Attached Thumbnails

03-13-2019, 09:52 PM	#6
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 42 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	I have his brother 12.T.S.1.32 for erfurt 1911 sn 1799 / Could you tell the sn from yours __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

03-13-2019, 10:43 PM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	I have a 1912 Erfurt with "12.T.S.3.208." canceled, then added "106.S.7.22" also canceled, and finally "96.R.10.6"- which is not canceled. It also arrived here in a converted Reichsrevolver holster. A luger that really "got around". Attached Thumbnails __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-11-2019, 06:42 PM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	177th Regiment and 12th Train Sanitaets Battalion, 1st company, weapon 169. The latter is an ambulance unit.

03-11-2019, 08:25 PM	#3
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	Thank you George. Do you think the Lugers were carried by train personnel and not medical staff?

03-12-2019, 01:27 AM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	"Train" as in logistical transport formation, not RR. --Dwight

03-14-2019, 12:49 AM	#8
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	The serial number of my 1911 Erfurt Model 1908 with the unit marks “177.R” and the Xed out “12.T.S.1.169” is 2986.