Navy on GB,.com

DavidJayUden · 02-25-2019, 11:31 AM

Under-priced, poorly photographed, and poorly described.

For your review.
https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/801197399

dju

DavidJayUden · 02-25-2019, 12:15 PM

"Cause it ain't a real Navy"
Care to elaborate?
dju

Ron Wood · 02-25-2019, 03:38 PM

A 1908 Navy doesn't have a grip safety...only the 1904 and 1906 have a grip safety. The navy dumped the grip safety when the army adopted the Luger without a grip safety in 1908. And the 1908, like the 1906, still doesn't have a chamber date (nor frame or sight dates). Dated chambers came in with the 1914 Navy.
The subject gun is a 1908 Navy, but because of the lousy photos there is no way of knowing if it is authentic.
Ron

Dwight Gruber · 02-25-2019, 04:46 PM

All the photos of all the items are consistent. This seller knows exactly what he is doing.

--Dwight

Norme · 02-25-2019, 04:51 PM

The seller's photos, wretched though they may be, do show a long frame gun. If I were interested in a possible purchase I'd ask the seller to post the view shown below, the 1908 Navy is the only gun with both a long frame and a large flange rear toggle axle.
Norm

hayhugh · 03-03-2019, 06:11 PM

Quote:

"Cause it ain't a real Navy"
Care to elaborate?
dju

What is this in reference to?

DavidJayUden · 03-03-2019, 09:16 PM

It was in reference to a gun listed on gunbroker.com:

https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/801197399

dju

hayhugh · 03-04-2019, 04:13 AM

What I was trying to find out was who and where does it say_ "Cause it ain't a real Navy" -

I saw the --https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/801197399 -- in the first post!

ithacaartist · 03-04-2019, 04:44 AM

It's listed again. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/798793593

Dwight is right, all his other items have the same fuzzy shots at uninformative angles as this one---even his $11,000 1902 Carbine.

Heh. It could have two Crown/Ms...or it could just have two smudges.

I don't recognize the seller, but several other Lugers are listed.

Eugen · 03-04-2019, 02:55 PM

DJU, I don't know much about Navy Lugers, but I am sure this 1904 Navy that I spotted recently is much nicer than the one for sale.

HerrKaiser · 03-04-2019, 05:11 PM

Can confirm that both of these 04 Navies were certainly real and quite nice looking.

larry · 03-05-2019, 01:36 PM

Thanks Norme. I didn’t know that the 1908 Navy was the only Navy with the larger axial flange.

DonVoigt · 03-05-2019, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larry

Thanks Norme. I didn’t know that the 1908 Navy was the only Navy with the larger axial flange.

Norm said "with BOTH a long frame and larger flange"; the 1914 models dated 1916 and 1917 have the larger flange, but are short frame pistols.

larry · 03-05-2019, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Norm said "with BOTH a long frame and larger flange"; the 1914 models dated 1916 and 1917 have the larger flange, but are short frame pistols.

Oooops. I left out the other important detail.
Thanks Don.

hayhugh · 03-26-2019, 05:15 PM

I thought it was time to bring this post up to date. As Norm said "have another drink and take the plunge"

Norme · 03-26-2019, 05:48 PM

Congratulations Hugh,
It looks like you hit the jackpot too! Maybe there is something to be said for b.u.i. (bidding under the influence).
Best regards, Norm

hayhugh · 03-26-2019, 06:22 PM

Well the seller had excellent feed back and offered five day inspection/return, I could not completely ignore the voices I was hearing......

02-25-2019, 11:31 AM	#1
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Navy on GB,.com Under-priced, poorly photographed, and poorly described. For your review. https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/801197399 dju

02-25-2019, 03:38 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	A 1908 Navy doesn't have a grip safety...only the 1904 and 1906 have a grip safety. The navy dumped the grip safety when the army adopted the Luger without a grip safety in 1908. And the 1908, like the 1906, still doesn't have a chamber date (nor frame or sight dates). Dated chambers came in with the 1914 Navy. The subject gun is a 1908 Navy, but because of the lousy photos there is no way of knowing if it is authentic. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-25-2019, 04:51 PM	#5
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	The seller's photos, wretched though they may be, do show a long frame gun. If I were interested in a possible purchase I'd ask the seller to post the view shown below, the 1908 Navy is the only gun with both a long frame and a large flange rear toggle axle. Norm Attached Thumbnails

03-04-2019, 04:44 AM	#9
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	It's listed again. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/798793593 Dwight is right, all his other items have the same fuzzy shots at uninformative angles as this one---even his $11,000 1902 Carbine. Heh. It could have two Crown/Ms...or it could just have two smudges. I don't recognize the seller, but several other Lugers are listed. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

03-04-2019, 02:55 PM	#10
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 394 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	DJU, I don't know much about Navy Lugers, but I am sure this 1904 Navy that I spotted recently is much nicer than the one for sale. Attached Thumbnails __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

02-25-2019, 12:15 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	"Cause it ain't a real Navy" Care to elaborate? dju

02-25-2019, 04:46 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	All the photos of all the items are consistent. This seller knows exactly what he is doing. --Dwight

03-03-2019, 09:16 PM	#7
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	It was in reference to a gun listed on gunbroker.com: https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/801197399 dju

03-04-2019, 04:13 AM	#8
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	What I was trying to find out was who and where does it say_ "Cause it ain't a real Navy" - I saw the --https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/801197399 -- in the first post!

03-04-2019, 05:11 PM	#11
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	Can confirm that both of these 04 Navies were certainly real and quite nice looking. Attached Thumbnails __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

03-05-2019, 01:36 PM	#12
larry User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 106 Thanks: 26 Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts	Thanks Norme. I didn’t know that the 1908 Navy was the only Navy with the larger axial flange.

03-26-2019, 05:15 PM	#15
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	I thought it was time to bring this post up to date. As Norm said "have another drink and take the plunge" Attached Thumbnails

03-26-2019, 05:48 PM	#16
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Congratulations Hugh, It looks like you hit the jackpot too! Maybe there is something to be said for b.u.i. (bidding under the influence). Best regards, Norm

03-26-2019, 06:22 PM	#17
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Well the seller had excellent feed back and offered five day inspection/return, I could not completely ignore the voices I was hearing......