Expert opinion needed: WWII bring back Luger P08, with documentation

TexHill · 07-02-2019, 10:44 PM

Hi all, I just acquired my first Luger and was referred here to get some information.

I recently loaned money to a friend who has an FFL. He knows that I collect WWII small arms, and has offered this Luger P08 as partial payment. It has both copies of the bring back certificate with it. The pistol is numbers matching except for the magazines, and is marked 1915 DWM.

I don't know much about Lugers so any help with the hallmarks and a rough value is appreciated. Thank you!

https://imgur.com/a/amMROHm

TexHill · 07-02-2019, 10:52 PM

More pics.

Edward Tinker · 07-02-2019, 11:25 PM

Interesting, but slightly rougher army 1915 Luger - since it was brought back, it likely was used through the weimar period and then the nazi era.

Couple of comments
- the sideplate, it looks double struck on the #4 - and its an erfurt sideplate, same number (good catch Curt)
---The grips are marked 7784 - with few exceptions, grips are only marked with the last two, and not all 4 digits (Simsons are, but these didn't look like Simson marked to me)
-----The rear toggle pin, it is marked #84 - this was required in the 30's, so it must have gone -back into depot or other place that numbered it (or it was done post-war)

Value - is it all matching?
How is the magazine marked?
Any loading tool or extra magazine?

I would say $800-$1000 (modified value) - it'd be worth more if it was in nicer condition.

Ed

beachbaker · 07-03-2019, 12:07 AM

The side plate is off an Erfurt which puts the gun as a mismatch so value in it's condition would put it more like $800-$1000.

TexHill · 07-03-2019, 12:50 AM

The magazines are not matching, and it does have the loading tool.

G.T. · 07-03-2019, 01:20 AM

Is there any date on the holster? Or maybe a makers mark somewhere??… best, til….lat'r...GT....

MikeP · 07-03-2019, 02:43 AM

The pistol is more of a shooter grade than anything.
Close to $1000 by itself. Some folks put value on it with the the papers.
However, don't let anyone BS you on this.
The extra mag, holster, and tool are of significant value.

ithacaartist · 07-03-2019, 03:24 AM

The one-piece back makes it a WWII holster, unless I'm mistaken. Nice shape, too, so it's worth a couple hundred at least. Wiemar repairs often incorporated leftover Erfurt parts, and I have a 1917/1920 DWM former Artillery with a matching Erfurt takedown lever. Unless there are Nazi eagles found, the rework was done before they came to power. Regardless whether it's a shooter or not, get busy and address that active rust!

07-02-2019, 10:44 PM	#1
TexHill New User Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Expert opinion needed: WWII bring back Luger P08, with documentation Hi all, I just acquired my first Luger and was referred here to get some information. I recently loaned money to a friend who has an FFL. He knows that I collect WWII small arms, and has offered this Luger P08 as partial payment. It has both copies of the bring back certificate with it. The pistol is numbers matching except for the magazines, and is marked 1915 DWM. I don't know much about Lugers so any help with the hallmarks and a rough value is appreciated. Thank you! https://imgur.com/a/amMROHm Attached Thumbnails

07-02-2019, 10:52 PM	#2
TexHill New User Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	More pics. Attached Thumbnails

07-02-2019, 11:25 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Interesting, but slightly rougher army 1915 Luger - since it was brought back, it likely was used through the weimar period and then the nazi era. Couple of comments - the sideplate, it looks double struck on the #4 - and its an erfurt sideplate, same number (good catch Curt) ---The grips are marked 7784 - with few exceptions, grips are only marked with the last two, and not all 4 digits (Simsons are, but these didn't look like Simson marked to me) -----The rear toggle pin, it is marked #84 - this was required in the 30's, so it must have gone -back into depot or other place that numbered it (or it was done post-war) Value - is it all matching? How is the magazine marked? Any loading tool or extra magazine? I would say $800-$1000 (modified value) - it'd be worth more if it was in nicer condition. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-03-2019, 01:20 AM	#6
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	The holster looks nice? Is there any date on the holster? Or maybe a makers mark somewhere??… best, til….lat'r...GT....

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beachbaker Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: california Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 106 Times in 29 Posts	The side plate is off an Erfurt which puts the gun as a mismatch so value in it's condition would put it more like $800-$1000. __________________ Curt Last edited by beachbaker; 07-03-2019 at 01:20 AM. Reason: spelling

07-03-2019, 12:50 AM	#5
TexHill New User Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	The magazines are not matching, and it does have the loading tool.

07-03-2019, 02:43 AM	#7
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	The pistol is more of a shooter grade than anything. Close to $1000 by itself. Some folks put value on it with the the papers. However, don't let anyone BS you on this. The extra mag, holster, and tool are of significant value.

07-03-2019, 03:24 AM	#8
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	The one-piece back makes it a WWII holster, unless I'm mistaken. Nice shape, too, so it's worth a couple hundred at least. Wiemar repairs often incorporated leftover Erfurt parts, and I have a 1917/1920 DWM former Artillery with a matching Erfurt takedown lever. Unless there are Nazi eagles found, the rework was done before they came to power. Regardless whether it's a shooter or not, get busy and address that active rust! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894