Confusing wreck of a P08

Vlim · 01-07-2020, 06:21 PM

This poor specimen is being offered for sale in the EU. It has been deactivated in Austria.

The frame is a 1917 marked Navy frame, but the receiver is weird. Artillery notch and a crown rolled onto the chamber. No sign of a year...

Any thoughts on the receiver crown? Looks old. And I doubt that this cobbled together nutured parts bucket has been boosted.

Edward Tinker · 01-07-2020, 09:25 PM

cool

rolandtg · 01-07-2020, 10:38 PM

While searching on the internet recently I ran across an image of a Luger with the same crown marking on the chamber. It was not the one pictured above.
I saved it and was going to ask about it here but it seems to have gotten deleted from my computer.

sheepherder · 01-07-2020, 11:39 PM

If the crown is on the chamber, what's on the toggle???

Did Erfurt ever mark the chamber with their crown???

Ron Wood · 01-08-2020, 02:31 AM

That large of a crown on a pistol chamber leads me to think it might have been originally used for a rifle chamber mark. It resembles the crown on a Crown/Spandau chamber marking on a Gewehr 88 and 98 rifles.

JTD · 01-08-2020, 09:07 AM

I am in possession of a luger with the same mark. I never nailed down the origins of it. John

JTD · 01-08-2020, 09:18 AM

Link to stills thread.
https://luger.gunboards.com/showthre...usual-1917-DWM

CRob · 01-08-2020, 12:21 PM

The grips are smooth is that normal as I have a shooter with smooth grips and was wondering?

Vlim · 01-08-2020, 12:34 PM

No, just someone's failed attempt at 'improving' them.

The toggle is a mismatched Mauser S/42 one. This example is a real Frankenluger, but with some interesting bits that sadly have been damaged beyond repair.

George Anderson · 01-08-2020, 02:31 PM

It's certainly a mystery as to who or why. Judging by the acceptance stamps on the receiver, it's a 1917 or 1918 DWM receiver.

gunbugs · 01-08-2020, 03:38 PM

Not really confusing. Just a wreck "parts gun".

Vlim · 01-08-2020, 03:43 PM

So how do you explain the crown on the chamber?

Mister Sunshine · 01-08-2020, 05:05 PM

I think the grips were made by Uncle Pooty in his closet work shop.

JTD · 01-09-2020, 09:27 PM

Vlim, did you get a frame serial #? Being deactivated in Austria (Is that the EUAT?) may be a clue about the origin of the chamber marking. THANK YOU for sharing this pistol with us. John

Vlim · 01-09-2020, 10:47 PM

Sadly not. To complicate things further the pistol was sold at an auction site, the pictures lifted by a local fraudster and then offered 'for sale' again.

The only positive thing is that without the fraudsters attempt I would have missed it. So in a way that scumbag did us a favor

Lugerdoc · 01-10-2020, 09:43 AM

The crown on the chamber appears similar to the M1906 Portugese crown over M2 contract. EUAT is probably an ackronum for EUROPEAN UNION ? ? indicating EU approved demil. TH

Vlim · 01-10-2020, 10:29 AM

Yes, EUAT is the code for European Union / Austria.

This pistol was deactivated according to the 2016 EU Deactivation standard.

The combination of the crown, artillery notch and DWM military acceptance markings is strange, though.

Frame: DWM 1917 Navy
Receiver: DWM artillery
Barrel: post 1918 replacement
Chamber: some royal crown
Toggle: Mauser
Grips: used toilet seat

I'm going towards a guards gun for the Erfurt arsenal toilet building

Even stranger is the amount it brought at auction: 1100 bucks….

JTD · 01-10-2020, 09:46 PM

If you look at the Early 1st Guard zu fuss Mitre helmets, there is a crown VERY close to these. Der Ritmeister has several posted. I did not want to lift the add picture, but here is a link.

https://derrittmeister.com/product/m...ataillon-nr-i/

LU1900 · 01-12-2020, 10:12 PM

I have this one in my data , but from where ??

01-07-2020, 06:21 PM	#1
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Confusing wreck of a P08 This poor specimen is being offered for sale in the EU. It has been deactivated in Austria. The frame is a 1917 marked Navy frame, but the receiver is weird. Artillery notch and a crown rolled onto the chamber. No sign of a year... Any thoughts on the receiver crown? Looks old. And I doubt that this cobbled together nutured parts bucket has been boosted. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Vlim; 01-08-2020 at 12:37 PM.

01-07-2020, 11:39 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	If the crown is on the chamber, what's on the toggle??? Did Erfurt ever mark the chamber with their crown??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-08-2020, 02:31 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	That large of a crown on a pistol chamber leads me to think it might have been originally used for a rifle chamber mark. It resembles the crown on a Crown/Spandau chamber marking on a Gewehr 88 and 98 rifles. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-10-2020, 09:43 AM	#16
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The crown on the chamber appears similar to the M1906 Portugese crown over M2 contract. EUAT is probably an ackronum for EUROPEAN UNION ? ? indicating EU approved demil. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

01-10-2020, 10:29 AM	#17
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Yes, EUAT is the code for European Union / Austria. This pistol was deactivated according to the 2016 EU Deactivation standard. The combination of the crown, artillery notch and DWM military acceptance markings is strange, though. Frame: DWM 1917 Navy Receiver: DWM artillery Barrel: post 1918 replacement Chamber: some royal crown Toggle: Mauser Grips: used toilet seat I'm going towards a guards gun for the Erfurt arsenal toilet building Even stranger is the amount it brought at auction: 1100 bucks…. Last edited by Vlim; 01-10-2020 at 12:24 PM.

01-07-2020, 09:25 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	cool

01-07-2020, 10:38 PM	#3
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 477 Thanks: 380 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	While searching on the internet recently I ran across an image of a Luger with the same crown marking on the chamber. It was not the one pictured above. I saved it and was going to ask about it here but it seems to have gotten deleted from my computer.

01-08-2020, 09:07 AM	#6
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	I am in possession of a luger with the same mark. I never nailed down the origins of it. John

01-08-2020, 09:18 AM	#7
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Link to stills thread. https://luger.gunboards.com/showthre...usual-1917-DWM

01-08-2020, 12:21 PM	#8
CRob User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 30 Thanks: 135 Thanked 13 Times in 7 Posts	The grips are smooth is that normal as I have a shooter with smooth grips and was wondering?

01-08-2020, 12:34 PM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	No, just someone's failed attempt at 'improving' them. The toggle is a mismatched Mauser S/42 one. This example is a real Frankenluger, but with some interesting bits that sadly have been damaged beyond repair.

01-08-2020, 02:31 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	It's certainly a mystery as to who or why. Judging by the acceptance stamps on the receiver, it's a 1917 or 1918 DWM receiver.

01-08-2020, 03:38 PM	#11
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 660 Thanks: 366 Thanked 1,179 Times in 395 Posts	Not really confusing. Just a wreck "parts gun".

01-08-2020, 03:43 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	So how do you explain the crown on the chamber?

01-08-2020, 05:05 PM	#13
Mister Sunshine User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Cherry Valley, Ca. Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	I think the grips were made by Uncle Pooty in his closet work shop.

01-09-2020, 09:27 PM	#14
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Vlim, did you get a frame serial #? Being deactivated in Austria (Is that the EUAT?) may be a clue about the origin of the chamber marking. THANK YOU for sharing this pistol with us. John

01-09-2020, 10:47 PM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Sadly not. To complicate things further the pistol was sold at an auction site, the pictures lifted by a local fraudster and then offered 'for sale' again. The only positive thing is that without the fraudsters attempt I would have missed it. So in a way that scumbag did us a favor

01-10-2020, 09:46 PM	#18
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	If you look at the Early 1st Guard zu fuss Mitre helmets, there is a crown VERY close to these. Der Ritmeister has several posted. I did not want to lift the add picture, but here is a link. https://derrittmeister.com/product/m...ataillon-nr-i/

01-12-2020, 10:12 PM	#19
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 42 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	I have this one in my data , but from where ?? Attached Images __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/