Lugers from Jersey, Channel Islands

Damien Horn · 11-30-2019, 09:46 AM

Hi,
Thanks for allowing me on this forum. I thought I would start with a photo taken a few years back showing my then collection of Lugers. All of which were left here on the Island of Jersey after 5 years of Occupation by the German armed forces.

k98mike · 11-30-2019, 10:33 AM

I didn't realize the Germans used the LP08 in WW II.

MW2152 · 11-30-2019, 12:12 PM

Wow! People just have them stashed away in their homes after the war ended or what?

What was the official practice back then, for recovered weapons? I imagine it was pretty specific to the island given what happened there versus the rest of England?

Norme · 11-30-2019, 12:16 PM

Beautiful collection Damien, welcome to the forum!

Damien Horn · 11-30-2019, 01:13 PM

k98mike,
They certainly used them here on the Island as well as a vast number of WW.I dated 4 inch lugers.

MW2152,
At the end of the Occupation the German troops were removed from the Island by the British troops and everything else was left behind, so 5 years of military equipment was lying around. Most was cleared and dumped at sea, but obviously people "acquired" the odd bits and pieces.... as you do.

HerrKaiser · 12-01-2019, 12:21 PM

When I get home later (I am currently in a car and will be for at least 5 more hours) I will try to post an interesting article from my thesis research on the Channel Islands militaria collecting/collectors. Outstanding collection!

ithacaartist · 12-01-2019, 09:37 PM

Sweet 16!

Flashover · 12-04-2019, 06:26 PM

Do they have to be deactivated on Jersey or can you own working ones?

Damien Horn · 12-16-2019, 05:33 PM

Hi Flashover,
Here on the Island of Jersey we have different firearms laws to those of the UK, so we are permitted to own and fire pistols, bolt action semi auto rifles. All my Lugers are useable and come from the Island, except for one which was brought here by Sir Billy Butlin who liberated it on his way through Germany.

Norme · 12-16-2019, 07:22 PM

Hi Damien,
Wow, the Butlin name brings back memories. The Butlin family lived on a big estate in Hampstead near where I lived after the war ended. I used to sneak on the property and hung out a few times with Butlin's daughter who was about my age (maybe 10). She was a pretty blond girl but for the life of me I can't remember her name.
Norm

Sergio Natali · 12-17-2019, 06:29 AM

Nice collection, congrats!

Sharpsdressed Man · 01-29-2020, 11:30 PM

Glad you remain free to own firearms, particularly handguns, and enjoy them.....not a fate shared by the rest of the British.

Edward Tinker · 01-30-2020, 01:04 AM

I am fascinated at the 3 LP08's also, I think most people don't realize that they were used through Weimar and WW2 era.

Great display, show us more! I watched a good show on bunkers on the Isles

HerrKaiser · 01-30-2020, 01:21 AM

While I cannot share the article I mentioned with you all (it is pay-to-read except through my university library credentials), I do have the info and title discussing war memorabilia on the islands.

Carr, Gilly. "'Illicit Antiquities'? the Collection of Nazi Militaria in the Channel Islands." World Archaeology 48, no. 2 (2016): 254-266.

11-30-2019, 09:46 AM	#1
Damien Horn User Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Jersey, Channel Islands Posts: 11 Thanks: 25 Thanked 129 Times in 10 Posts	Lugers from Jersey, Channel Islands Hi, Thanks for allowing me on this forum. I thought I would start with a photo taken a few years back showing my then collection of Lugers. All of which were left here on the Island of Jersey after 5 years of Occupation by the German armed forces. Attached Thumbnails

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HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	When I get home later (I am currently in a car and will be for at least 5 more hours) I will try to post an interesting article from my thesis research on the Channel Islands militaria collecting/collectors. Outstanding collection! __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

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12-16-2019, 05:33 PM	#9
Damien Horn User Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Jersey, Channel Islands Posts: 11 Thanks: 25 Thanked 129 Times in 10 Posts	Reply to Flashover Hi Flashover, Here on the Island of Jersey we have different firearms laws to those of the UK, so we are permitted to own and fire pistols, bolt action semi auto rifles. All my Lugers are useable and come from the Island, except for one which was brought here by Sir Billy Butlin who liberated it on his way through Germany.

12-17-2019, 06:29 AM	#11
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Nice collection, congrats! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	I didn't realize the Germans used the LP08 in WW II.

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MW2152 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 50 Thanks: 11 Thanked 35 Times in 20 Posts	Wow! People just have them stashed away in their homes after the war ended or what? What was the official practice back then, for recovered weapons? I imagine it was pretty specific to the island given what happened there versus the rest of England?

11-30-2019, 12:16 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Beautiful collection Damien, welcome to the forum!

11-30-2019, 01:13 PM	#5
Damien Horn User Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Jersey, Channel Islands Posts: 11 Thanks: 25 Thanked 129 Times in 10 Posts	k98mike, They certainly used them here on the Island as well as a vast number of WW.I dated 4 inch lugers. MW2152, At the end of the Occupation the German troops were removed from the Island by the British troops and everything else was left behind, so 5 years of military equipment was lying around. Most was cleared and dumped at sea, but obviously people "acquired" the odd bits and pieces.... as you do.

12-04-2019, 06:26 PM	#8
Flashover New User Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Do they have to be deactivated on Jersey or can you own working ones?

12-16-2019, 07:22 PM	#10
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Damien, Wow, the Butlin name brings back memories. The Butlin family lived on a big estate in Hampstead near where I lived after the war ended. I used to sneak on the property and hung out a few times with Butlin's daughter who was about my age (maybe 10). She was a pretty blond girl but for the life of me I can't remember her name. Norm

01-29-2020, 11:30 PM	#12
Sharpsdressed Man User Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 7 Posts	Glad you remain free to own firearms, particularly handguns, and enjoy them.....not a fate shared by the rest of the British.

01-30-2020, 01:04 AM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I am fascinated at the 3 LP08's also, I think most people don't realize that they were used through Weimar and WW2 era. Great display, show us more! I watched a good show on bunkers on the Isles __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-30-2020, 01:21 AM	#14
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	While I cannot share the article I mentioned with you all (it is pay-to-read except through my university library credentials), I do have the info and title discussing war memorabilia on the islands. Carr, Gilly. "'Illicit Antiquities'? the Collection of Nazi Militaria in the Channel Islands." World Archaeology 48, no. 2 (2016): 254-266. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22