Stock on a Luger Legal???

Heinmot · 05-08-2004, 11:24 PM

I will check with BATFE, but in the meantime, can anybody tell me if it is legal to stick a stock on a Luger?

I have owned a machinegun in the past, and the process to get that is no big deal. Is a tax stamp required for a stock for a Luger?

Herb · 05-09-2004, 12:05 AM

Heinmot, it is my understanding that it is if the Luger originally had a stock, for our purposes that would be the LP08's or artillery models only.

Doug G. · 05-09-2004, 12:15 AM

The laws as I know them are as follows. Artillery can use the "Artillery" stock only even if it's a repro. The Navy can only use the "Navy" stock. If you were talking of a 4" gun then the only way to do that would be a Form 1 and register it as an SBR.

Dean · 05-09-2004, 03:29 AM

Also, if you have a 16 inch barrel, then a stock is legal also.

vern · 05-09-2004, 08:55 AM

These answers would seem to indicate that there is no stock made for the P08 military pistols with the stock lug. Were stocks ever made for these when they were produced? (I have a 1918 DWM).

Vern

Ron Wood · 05-09-2004, 11:09 AM

There were no stocks "made" for short barreled P08 military pistols. Primarily to facilitate the production process all frames were made with the stock lug, but only LP08 and Naval Lugers were issued with a shoulder stock. Therefore, only these two types of military Luger under BATF rules that are legal curio and relic types to have the proper type of shoulder stock attached. Attachment to a short barreled military Luger makes it a "short barreled rifle" and therefore illegal.

Thor · 05-09-2004, 11:12 AM

Werent there some made for the Finnish M23s? I know these are so uncommon that they arent normally mentioned.

Lugerdoc · 05-09-2004, 11:26 AM

Thor, I believe that a good case could be made for adding the Finnish "SA" marked M1923 lugers in 7.65mm to the listing of "stockable pistols" since many photos show them being used that way and most early Finnish luger holsters were made with straps to also carry the LPO8 stock. I understand that the 5000 stocks that they received in the 1920s, were used WW1 German surplus and in most cases will have been renumbered on the lug, at least once. All we need, is for someone to apply to the ATF to have this combination added to the C&R listing. Any volunteers? TH

05-08-2004, 11:24 PM	#1
Heinmot User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: USA Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stock on a Luger Legal??? I will check with BATFE, but in the meantime, can anybody tell me if it is legal to stick a stock on a Luger? I have owned a machinegun in the past, and the process to get that is no big deal. Is a tax stamp required for a stock for a Luger? __________________ Psalm 20:7

05-09-2004, 12:05 AM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Heinmot, it is my understanding that it is if the Luger originally had a stock, for our purposes that would be the LP08's or artillery models only. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

05-09-2004, 12:15 AM	#3
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	The laws as I know them are as follows. Artillery can use the "Artillery" stock only even if it's a repro. The Navy can only use the "Navy" stock. If you were talking of a 4" gun then the only way to do that would be a Form 1 and register it as an SBR. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

05-09-2004, 03:29 AM	#4
Dean User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: PA Posts: 132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Also, if you have a 16 inch barrel, then a stock is legal also. __________________ Carpe Diem, Parabellum

05-09-2004, 11:09 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	There were no stocks "made" for short barreled P08 military pistols. Primarily to facilitate the production process all frames were made with the stock lug, but only LP08 and Naval Lugers were issued with a shoulder stock. Therefore, only these two types of military Luger under BATF rules that are legal curio and relic types to have the proper type of shoulder stock attached. Attachment to a short barreled military Luger makes it a "short barreled rifle" and therefore illegal. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-09-2004, 08:55 AM	#5
vern User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	These answers would seem to indicate that there is no stock made for the P08 military pistols with the stock lug. Were stocks ever made for these when they were produced? (I have a 1918 DWM). Vern

05-09-2004, 11:12 AM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Werent there some made for the Finnish M23s? I know these are so uncommon that they arent normally mentioned. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email [email protected] ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

05-09-2004, 11:26 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Thor, I believe that a good case could be made for adding the Finnish "SA" marked M1923 lugers in 7.65mm to the listing of "stockable pistols" since many photos show them being used that way and most early Finnish luger holsters were made with straps to also carry the LPO8 stock. I understand that the 5000 stocks that they received in the 1920s, were used WW1 German surplus and in most cases will have been renumbered on the lug, at least once. All we need, is for someone to apply to the ATF to have this combination added to the C&R listing. Any volunteers? TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]