JUNKERS

Waschbaer · 04-19-2004, 03:43 AM

With the bazillions of lugers that have been produced between 1900 and 1940's, one would imagine that there are plenty of junkers out there. The price guides always have a listing for "poor" condition guns, but it seems they are non existant. Are the parts houses gobbling all the junkers up, or is there any chance of finding a nice corroded luger to play with anywhere??? Anybody seen a cheapie is piss poor condition recently?

Vlim · 04-19-2004, 08:58 AM

Hi,

Try this one, it does need some work, but it matches your description

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...category=15503

Luke · 04-19-2004, 09:15 AM

G.van -

Dang! ! !

A good candidate for Thor's magic.

Vlim · 04-19-2004, 10:18 AM

Have you noticed that the magazine is still in place? There is a good chance that this pistol still has one round in the chamber.

policeluger · 04-19-2004, 11:05 AM

To answer your question, I sold a few in the last two years, in the condition you are asking about, in the $250/275 range. At this price they are in need of very minor repair to function, something I do no want to do as time does not permit. Look around you'll find one, every large guns show shoul have a boat anchor or two, and I will keep you in mind when the next one shows up here.

policeluger · 04-19-2004, 11:20 AM

Chech out GunsAmerica item #976456163....

AGE · 04-20-2004, 12:57 AM

I saw one like this at a gun show about a year ago. The seller said that it still shoots?? He still wanted something like $275 for it. There ain't a "cheap" Luger in the US.

ken d · 04-20-2004, 07:11 PM

Look at ebay's parts auctions. A stripped out Luger (excluding frame) will bring in $500 +.

Regards
Ken D

Waschbaer · 04-20-2004, 10:12 PM

Thanks for the replies. I wrote to the owner of the one on GA, I wonder if it still works for that price. The one on ebay.de is interesting, and would be nice to have, but anybody wanna start taking wagers on how quickly our buddies at the batf would be knocking on my door for illegal importation, shipping through the mail, etc. of a "firearm"? Too risky for my blood.

maximuss · 04-21-2004, 09:42 PM

Wow, that corroded Luger is amazing.
One question that will never be answered is how did it ended that way.
- Was it buried by its former user, before running away?
- Was the user killed holding it?

We only see what the weapons we bring to our homes want to show us in their surface (metal /wood / Bakelite etc...)
In most of the cases, the crude part of the story is buried somewhere....forever.

Regards, Max

saxman · 04-21-2004, 10:40 PM

Many Lugers like that one were dug up on East European WWII battlegrounds. Even in that condition, I'm surprised ebay allows it.

josef · 04-23-2004, 05:50 PM

I've shown this one before, dug it in a drained lake, preserved very well considering. Our Customs had to determine it was a non-firing firearm before allowing me to bring it in. Great for display

Waschbaer · 04-26-2004, 03:11 AM

josef, was the mag next to the pistol, or how did you manage to get it out without breaking the whole darn pistol in half?

josef · 04-26-2004, 03:17 AM

The mag was quite a distance away, maybe 30 feet, I know I found a small magazine from an Ortiges pistol that broke apart when I pulled it from the muck (slide was intact pretty much though). The P08 is solid, well preserved and great for display. Almost fell backward into the mud when I pulled this out. Found a P38 also, but never found the mag for it.

Lugerdoc · 04-26-2004, 09:51 AM

Josef, I've heard repeated stories from former residents of countries that the Nazis occupied, of trips at night to the local lake, to rid themselves of private firearms, when the Nazis announced that the penality for possession was death. TH

josef · 04-26-2004, 04:43 PM

This is true, all firearms had to be surrendered. My family are from the Czech Republic, outside of their village is this lake surrounded by woods and pasture. At the end of the war, all German soldiers were instructed, over a two week period, to gather in this field and await capture by the Red Army. In this lake, and surrounding areas, I have found many awards, equipment, personal effects, ect. including some firearms. Soldiers obviously dumped alot of their items prior to capture. My Great Uncle was found with a small pistol on the last few days of the war by the Germans, was locked in the local jail awaiting apparent execution, but managed to escape when the Soviets bombed the village. He apparently died from botchelism only a year after the war's end, eating cans of leftover German meat rations.

George Anderson · 04-26-2004, 05:50 PM

He may have died from Bolshevism rather than botulism. I imagine many of the gathered Germans did as well.

josef · 04-26-2004, 06:08 PM

Right you are!!

04-19-2004, 03:43 AM	#1
Waschbaer User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	JUNKERS With the bazillions of lugers that have been produced between 1900 and 1940's, one would imagine that there are plenty of junkers out there. The price guides always have a listing for "poor" condition guns, but it seems they are non existant. Are the parts houses gobbling all the junkers up, or is there any chance of finding a nice corroded luger to play with anywhere??? Anybody seen a cheapie is piss poor condition recently?

04-19-2004, 09:15 AM	#3
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	G.van - Dang! ! ! A good candidate for Thor's magic. __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

04-20-2004, 12:57 AM	#7
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I saw one like this at a gun show about a year ago. The seller said that it still shoots?? He still wanted something like $275 for it. There ain't a "cheap" Luger in the US. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

04-21-2004, 10:40 PM	#11
saxman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 301 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Many Lugers like that one were dug up on East European WWII battlegrounds. Even in that condition, I'm surprised ebay allows it. __________________ You can lead 'em to the water, but you can't make 'em drink.

04-26-2004, 09:51 AM	#15
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Josef, I've heard repeated stories from former residents of countries that the Nazis occupied, of trips at night to the local lake, to rid themselves of private firearms, when the Nazis announced that the penality for possession was death. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

04-19-2004, 08:58 AM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Try this one, it does need some work, but it matches your description http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...category=15503

04-19-2004, 10:18 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Have you noticed that the magazine is still in place? There is a good chance that this pistol still has one round in the chamber.

04-19-2004, 11:05 AM	#5
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	To answer your question, I sold a few in the last two years, in the condition you are asking about, in the $250/275 range. At this price they are in need of very minor repair to function, something I do no want to do as time does not permit. Look around you'll find one, every large guns show shoul have a boat anchor or two, and I will keep you in mind when the next one shows up here.

04-19-2004, 11:20 AM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Chech out GunsAmerica item #976456163....

04-20-2004, 07:11 PM	#8
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Look at ebay's parts auctions. A stripped out Luger (excluding frame) will bring in $500 +. Regards Ken D

04-20-2004, 10:12 PM	#9
Waschbaer User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the replies. I wrote to the owner of the one on GA, I wonder if it still works for that price. The one on ebay.de is interesting, and would be nice to have, but anybody wanna start taking wagers on how quickly our buddies at the batf would be knocking on my door for illegal importation, shipping through the mail, etc. of a "firearm"? Too risky for my blood.

04-21-2004, 09:42 PM	#10
maximuss User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: argentina Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow, that corroded Luger is amazing. One question that will never be answered is how did it ended that way. - Was it buried by its former user, before running away? - Was the user killed holding it? We only see what the weapons we bring to our homes want to show us in their surface (metal /wood / Bakelite etc...) In most of the cases, the crude part of the story is buried somewhere....forever. Regards, Max

04-23-2004, 05:50 PM	#12
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	I've shown this one before, dug it in a drained lake, preserved very well considering. Our Customs had to determine it was a non-firing firearm before allowing me to bring it in. Great for display

04-26-2004, 03:11 AM	#13
Waschbaer User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	josef, was the mag next to the pistol, or how did you manage to get it out without breaking the whole darn pistol in half?

04-26-2004, 03:17 AM	#14
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	The mag was quite a distance away, maybe 30 feet, I know I found a small magazine from an Ortiges pistol that broke apart when I pulled it from the muck (slide was intact pretty much though). The P08 is solid, well preserved and great for display. Almost fell backward into the mud when I pulled this out. Found a P38 also, but never found the mag for it.

04-26-2004, 04:43 PM	#16
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	This is true, all firearms had to be surrendered. My family are from the Czech Republic, outside of their village is this lake surrounded by woods and pasture. At the end of the war, all German soldiers were instructed, over a two week period, to gather in this field and await capture by the Red Army. In this lake, and surrounding areas, I have found many awards, equipment, personal effects, ect. including some firearms. Soldiers obviously dumped alot of their items prior to capture. My Great Uncle was found with a small pistol on the last few days of the war by the Germans, was locked in the local jail awaiting apparent execution, but managed to escape when the Soviets bombed the village. He apparently died from botchelism only a year after the war's end, eating cans of leftover German meat rations.

04-26-2004, 05:50 PM	#17
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	He may have died from Bolshevism rather than botulism. I imagine many of the gathered Germans did as well.

04-26-2004, 06:08 PM	#18
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Right you are!!