Conversion unit extractor installation

luger1 · 06-25-2021, 08:37 PM

The extractor popped out of my conversion unit and need an exploded diagram to figure out how to install.
Thanks.

ithacaartist · 06-26-2021, 05:23 AM

I can walk you through it. I hope you are fortunate enough to have all the parts!

The system consists of the extractor body, the extractor spring, and the extractor plunger. Depending on its vintage, your kit's breech block may have a slot above the extractor body. The alternative is a closed-top breech block. Since yours popped off, I figure it's the open-top version.

The spring should go first, then the plunger. Align/rotate the plunger's tip so that it will properly engage the rear of the extractor body. Stage the extractor body in the slot and push it back far enough that the "tail" on the extractor body clicks down into its vertical well. The plunger will have been pushed all the way inside its well to allow the body to go back far enough for the tail to drop. Now the extractor body is in place, and kept there by the spring's pressure on the interface of the notched area on the e. body's back end and the tip of the plunger.

My considered opinion is that extractor springs should be on the stout side, and that a pooped-out or marginal spring allows the extractor to be launched from an extractor system of this general design. Sadly, Erma's KGP series extractors behave like this. The early variations of the small frame Llama .22s' system is very similarly designed, and they also seem to have the same problem.

Let us know how it works out. I have accurate reproduction extractor bodies available for the conversion kits, if it ever comes to that.

Vlim · 06-26-2021, 10:13 AM

With a picture:

sheepherder · 06-26-2021, 04:02 PM

It's rare that the plunger and spring don't pop out as well...

ithacaartist · 06-27-2021, 07:59 PM

Rich, you're correct that the remaining parts follow if the extractor goes, more often than not. Your pic is of a schematic for the closed-top variety of breech block. I don't think it's even possible for an extractor to go flying out of one of these! The parts would be installed the same way as I described, but if you think that's a tricky job, just have a go at removing the extractor system from one of these babies! Unless I'm mistaken, you'll find this style breech block in the SE 08 kits. The ones that make the parts go zing are found in the SE 08/2 kits, and the ones from between the wars.

06-25-2021, 08:37 PM	#1
luger1 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Conversion unit extractor installation The extractor popped out of my conversion unit and need an exploded diagram to figure out how to install. Thanks.

06-26-2021, 05:23 AM	#2
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	I can walk you through it. I hope you are fortunate enough to have all the parts! The system consists of the extractor body, the extractor spring, and the extractor plunger. Depending on its vintage, your kit's breech block may have a slot above the extractor body. The alternative is a closed-top breech block. Since yours popped off, I figure it's the open-top version. The spring should go first, then the plunger. Align/rotate the plunger's tip so that it will properly engage the rear of the extractor body. Stage the extractor body in the slot and push it back far enough that the "tail" on the extractor body clicks down into its vertical well. The plunger will have been pushed all the way inside its well to allow the body to go back far enough for the tail to drop. Now the extractor body is in place, and kept there by the spring's pressure on the interface of the notched area on the e. body's back end and the tip of the plunger. My considered opinion is that extractor springs should be on the stout side, and that a pooped-out or marginal spring allows the extractor to be launched from an extractor system of this general design. Sadly, Erma's KGP series extractors behave like this. The early variations of the small frame Llama .22s' system is very similarly designed, and they also seem to have the same problem. Let us know how it works out. I have accurate reproduction extractor bodies available for the conversion kits, if it ever comes to that. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

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sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	It's rare that the plunger and spring don't pop out as well... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

06-27-2021, 07:59 PM	#5
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Rich, you're correct that the remaining parts follow if the extractor goes, more often than not. Your pic is of a schematic for the closed-top variety of breech block. I don't think it's even possible for an extractor to go flying out of one of these! The parts would be installed the same way as I described, but if you think that's a tricky job, just have a go at removing the extractor system from one of these babies! Unless I'm mistaken, you'll find this style breech block in the SE 08 kits. The ones that make the parts go zing are found in the SE 08/2 kits, and the ones from between the wars. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894