Photos of Commemorative Waffen SS "Diamond Edition" Luger???

max2cam · 07-30-2002, 10:51 PM

Following below is a description of a Luger series that I have never heard of before. Does anyone know of a website or has images of this series? Who made this thing? What does it look like? Where was the work done? (In Pakistan -- hope! hope!)

I ask, because in a novel I've been working on for many years, there is a very fancy engraved inlaid "SS" Luger in the story. The main characters pay a small fortune for it (all their money) and it ends up getting thrown into Lake Superior and lost. No great loss, however, as it turns out to be a fake "boosted" in Pakistan. (Guys on the old forum said Pakistan was a logical place). If there is a stupid looking modern commemorative I might base the description on, that would be pretty cool too. So far I have just made the description up.

Below is this "things" description. It is selling for $6 grand but I'm not including the URL least you think I'm helping to pimp it off (There are no photos of it with the ad).

Thanks -- and again (after that long-winded explanation) I'd like to see some photos of this fancy gold-platinum-inlaid Commemorative "SS" Luger with Totenkopf "diamond" eyes if there are any.

=====================

WWII Commemorative "DIAMOND EDITION" WAFFEN-SS LUGER, 1 of ONLY 10 (repeat 10!!!) WORLDWIDE (#009). ALL certificates and documentation. MINT! Never raked or fired, NEVER handled without jewelers gloves. Original - NEW, 1937 "MAUSER" made 9mm LUGER, with all ORIGINAL markings and matching numbers; refinished to TROPHY COLLECTABLE. Mirror finish - high gloss black. 24K Gold "SS" with 24K "SKULL and BONES" insignia - "eyes" are authentic DIAMONDS. 24K Gold and Platinum, hand, deeply etched inlays and plating - finished to "jewelers Grade-Heavy" standard. Highly polished hand finished custom walnut stocks with matching custom display case. MAGNIFICENT PIECE!!! GREAT collector item or INVESTMENT - will NEVER lose its value. Three of these can NEVER be sold (in museums) so this is actually 1 of 7 !!! A recent "issue" - "similiar" piece, to this - a "artilery 6 inch barrel Luger" (1 0f 25), but with LESS Gold and Platinum, is now being sold for OVER $13,000.00 (and there are ONLY 2 of those left!). I am unable to post or "e" mail pictures: I can and will, mail pictures; or, you may view/inspect it, "up close and personal". Thank You --- THIS IS AS "LOW" AS IT IS EVER GOING!!!

Herb · 07-30-2002, 11:21 PM

Max2cam, that is that piece of junk on Gunbroker. There was a picture somewhere of it. The key is "refinished to Trophy Collectable" It is a regular Luger that has bit the dust and has been reworked to a gaudy gold plated 'collectable'. IMO not worth the money put into it and will never go up in value.

wterrell · 07-30-2002, 11:36 PM

Website link is: http://www.ahfrichmond.com/arluger.html

I am in agreement with Herb.

Please do not feel that including a URL would be pimping a gun. We have all seen the advertisement. Attaching a URL sometimes helps in discussion of details and is viewed as 'putting all the cards on the table'. A person might exclude a URL whenever he is personally interested in purchasing an item (almost everyone will understand and agree).

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Brandon · 07-30-2002, 11:37 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Herb:
<strong>Max2cam, that is that piece of junk on Gunbroker. There was a picture somewhere of it. The key is "refinished to Trophy Collectable" It is a regular Luger that has bit the dust and has been reworked to a gaudy gold plated 'collectable'. IMO not worth the money put into it and will never go up in value.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree!!!!........Oh and why would a Waffen-SS man have such a fancy Luger [img]rolleyes.gif[/img] ?

tracyp · 07-30-2002, 11:40 PM

This guy has been trying to sell this thing for sometime. It's has no collector value.

max2cam · 07-31-2002, 11:30 PM

Here's another "must have" item. A 24 caret gold-plated Luger with "gen-you-whine" Totenkopf grip inlay.

The wonderful wacky world of Lugers?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976087708.htm

"I yam what I yam" -- My mismatched VOPO Luger

Still trying to see what that "Diamond in the Eyes" SS Commemorative Luger looks like....

Torquemada055 · 08-02-2002, 09:12 PM

Is it just me or do others feel like heaving your guts out when you see a fine firearm abused like these examples ? <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" />

hermit · 08-02-2002, 10:53 PM

No offense guys, but I think it is a nice looking peice. I realise that it shouldn't be passed off as a "genuine" article or the insane price he'll want. Ingraved weapons have their place; not for collectors maybe but there is something I like about a finely engraved Browning shotgun or one of the many commemorative 30-30s I bought when I was younger. I get the point you are trying to make though--pawning this off as something that came from the factory is wrong. Happy collecting from a new member. <img src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" border="0" alt="[blabla]" /> <img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" />

hermit · 08-06-2002, 12:23 PM

American Eagle commemorative? Is he custom building these? I doubt they would have any value to a collector; and the price is $1500. Just thought I'd get some of the knowledgeable guys input. I guess this is the kind of stuff you were ta;lking about?
http://www.billpalmer.com/Amereagle.htm

Dwight Gruber · 08-06-2002, 01:42 PM

Hermit, Aimco, a company in Houston, manufactures stainless steel Lugers. Looks to me like this guy made a large enough custom order from them to make it worth their while.

As they are current manufacture they have no value to a Luger collector, except as a curiosity. As a shooting firearm the Aimco pieces are at least respectable, see the postwar Luger section here, and particularly do a search on the old board, for comments.

The price is not quite twice what you can pick up a stainless Luger for. In the realm of commemoratives its not outrageous, although theres really not much to it, and frankly if I had that knd of money kicking around it would go for something original and much more interesting. AT least they are not wrecking real Lugers.

--Dwight

LP08 · 08-07-2002, 03:06 AM

These "commemorative" lugers were made,not in Pakistan, but in Mechanicsville Virginia. Most started out as Russian import lugers except for the artilleries which were gathered up from various sources who sold cheap LP08's. They are not quite so finely finished and engraved as is suggested but are rather an assy line produced item. The terminology of the employees is "processing" lugers, including "knocking off" the markings with a heavy buffing wheel, engraving by a husband/wife team, finishing and adding gold design, and putting them in a box with a label. The hyperventilating advertisement of the individual trying to sell one of the SS lugers is a clue about the value. They are pretty if you don't look too closely and don't see a difference between the WWF and the Joffrey ballet.

Actually, I met one of the employees and he is a good guy whose interest in luger history led him to help me "rescue" (replacing with less rare lugers) a handful of rare lugers from being processed in the late 1990s.

John Sabato · 08-07-2002, 02:08 PM

Hi LP08 (David),

Just out of curiosity, what types of Lugers did you manage to rescue from this fate worse than gun control?

LP08 · 08-08-2002, 12:30 AM

I got a 1914 Erfurt (mismatched sideplate from a Krieghoff), a couple G dates, a 1937 Navy but did not feel I had the money to get the unit marked Weimar lugers (nearly all had a few mismatched small parts). I sure wish I had rescued a few more of the 30's - 40s dates because some were beautiful and all original except for the grips and magazine. I also got some mags and grips because those are discarded in the "processing" of the lugers.

Sure wish I had obtained more.

Lugerdoc · 08-08-2002, 10:18 AM

Hermit, The M1900 Aimco Stainless repros were original made in 2000 to celebrate the 100th anniverary of the Luger. They were introducded at the annual NAPCA convention in Jan 2000 and were available to members with a NACPA inscription @ the $1500 price. Unfortunately for AIMCO, sales were poor; that's why they are still available, directly from the manufacturer. Tom H.

John Sabato · 08-08-2002, 04:41 PM

LP08,

If only the lugerforum had existed at the time these atrocities took place, I am sure that many of the membership would have stepped forward and rescued all the rare ones and provided mixed parts guns for the so-called "processing."

What a waste of a good Lugers!

07-30-2002, 10:51 PM	#1
max2cam User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Photos of Commemorative Waffen SS "Diamond Edition" Luger??? Following below is a description of a Luger series that I have never heard of before. Does anyone know of a website or has images of this series? Who made this thing? What does it look like? Where was the work done? (In Pakistan -- hope! hope!) I ask, because in a novel I've been working on for many years, there is a very fancy engraved inlaid "SS" Luger in the story. The main characters pay a small fortune for it (all their money) and it ends up getting thrown into Lake Superior and lost. No great loss, however, as it turns out to be a fake "boosted" in Pakistan. (Guys on the old forum said Pakistan was a logical place). If there is a stupid looking modern commemorative I might base the description on, that would be pretty cool too. So far I have just made the description up. Below is this "things" description. It is selling for $6 grand but I'm not including the URL least you think I'm helping to pimp it off (There are no photos of it with the ad). Thanks -- and again (after that long-winded explanation) I'd like to see some photos of this fancy gold-platinum-inlaid Commemorative "SS" Luger with Totenkopf "diamond" eyes if there are any. ===================== WWII Commemorative "DIAMOND EDITION" WAFFEN-SS LUGER, 1 of ONLY 10 (repeat 10!!!) WORLDWIDE (#009). ALL certificates and documentation. MINT! Never raked or fired, NEVER handled without jewelers gloves. Original - NEW, 1937 "MAUSER" made 9mm LUGER, with all ORIGINAL markings and matching numbers; refinished to TROPHY COLLECTABLE. Mirror finish - high gloss black. 24K Gold "SS" with 24K "SKULL and BONES" insignia - "eyes" are authentic DIAMONDS. 24K Gold and Platinum, hand, deeply etched inlays and plating - finished to "jewelers Grade-Heavy" standard. Highly polished hand finished custom walnut stocks with matching custom display case. MAGNIFICENT PIECE!!! GREAT collector item or INVESTMENT - will NEVER lose its value. Three of these can NEVER be sold (in museums) so this is actually 1 of 7 !!! A recent "issue" - "similiar" piece, to this - a "artilery 6 inch barrel Luger" (1 0f 25), but with LESS Gold and Platinum, is now being sold for OVER $13,000.00 (and there are ONLY 2 of those left!). I am unable to post or "e" mail pictures: I can and will, mail pictures; or, you may view/inspect it, "up close and personal". Thank You --- THIS IS AS "LOW" AS IT IS EVER GOING!!!

07-30-2002, 11:21 PM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Max2cam, that is that piece of junk on Gunbroker. There was a picture somewhere of it. The key is "refinished to Trophy Collectable" It is a regular Luger that has bit the dust and has been reworked to a gaudy gold plated 'collectable'. IMO not worth the money put into it and will never go up in value. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

07-30-2002, 11:36 PM	#3
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Website link is: http://www.ahfrichmond.com/arluger.html I am in agreement with Herb. Please do not feel that including a URL would be pimping a gun. We have all seen the advertisement. Attaching a URL sometimes helps in discussion of details and is viewed as 'putting all the cards on the table'. A person might exclude a URL whenever he is personally interested in purchasing an item (almost everyone will understand and agree). Here are a couple of her sisters: __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

08-02-2002, 09:12 PM	#7
Torquemada055 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sutter Creek, Ca. Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is it just me or do others feel like heaving your guts out when you see a fine firearm abused like these examples ? <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" /> __________________ Always remember those who came before, they are the reason we can do the things we do.

08-07-2002, 02:08 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Hi LP08 (David), Just out of curiosity, what types of Lugers did you manage to rescue from this fate worse than gun control? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-30-2002, 11:37 PM	#4
Brandon User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 329 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Herb: <strong>Max2cam, that is that piece of junk on Gunbroker. There was a picture somewhere of it. The key is "refinished to Trophy Collectable" It is a regular Luger that has bit the dust and has been reworked to a gaudy gold plated 'collectable'. IMO not worth the money put into it and will never go up in value.</strong><hr></blockquote> I agree!!!!........Oh and why would a Waffen-SS man have such a fancy Luger [img]rolleyes.gif[/img] ?

07-30-2002, 11:40 PM	#5
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	This guy has been trying to sell this thing for sometime. It's has no collector value.

07-31-2002, 11:30 PM	#6
max2cam User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here's another "must have" item. A 24 caret gold-plated Luger with "gen-you-whine" Totenkopf grip inlay. The wonderful wacky world of Lugers? http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976087708.htm "I yam what I yam" -- My mismatched VOPO Luger Still trying to see what that "Diamond in the Eyes" SS Commemorative Luger looks like....

08-02-2002, 10:53 PM	#8
hermit User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: canada Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No offense guys, but I think it is a nice looking peice. I realise that it shouldn't be passed off as a "genuine" article or the insane price he'll want. Ingraved weapons have their place; not for collectors maybe but there is something I like about a finely engraved Browning shotgun or one of the many commemorative 30-30s I bought when I was younger. I get the point you are trying to make though--pawning this off as something that came from the factory is wrong. Happy collecting from a new member. <img src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" border="0" alt="[blabla]" /> <img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" />

08-06-2002, 12:23 PM	#9
hermit User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: canada Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	American Eagle commemorative? Is he custom building these? I doubt they would have any value to a collector; and the price is $1500. Just thought I'd get some of the knowledgeable guys input. I guess this is the kind of stuff you were ta;lking about? http://www.billpalmer.com/Amereagle.htm

08-06-2002, 01:42 PM	#10
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Hermit, Aimco, a company in Houston, manufactures stainless steel Lugers. Looks to me like this guy made a large enough custom order from them to make it worth their while. As they are current manufacture they have no value to a Luger collector, except as a curiosity. As a shooting firearm the Aimco pieces are at least respectable, see the postwar Luger section here, and particularly do a search on the old board, for comments. The price is not quite twice what you can pick up a stainless Luger for. In the realm of commemoratives its not outrageous, although theres really not much to it, and frankly if I had that knd of money kicking around it would go for something original and much more interesting. AT least they are not wrecking real Lugers. --Dwight

08-07-2002, 03:06 AM	#11
LP08 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	These "commemorative" lugers were made,not in Pakistan, but in Mechanicsville Virginia. Most started out as Russian import lugers except for the artilleries which were gathered up from various sources who sold cheap LP08's. They are not quite so finely finished and engraved as is suggested but are rather an assy line produced item. The terminology of the employees is "processing" lugers, including "knocking off" the markings with a heavy buffing wheel, engraving by a husband/wife team, finishing and adding gold design, and putting them in a box with a label. The hyperventilating advertisement of the individual trying to sell one of the SS lugers is a clue about the value. They are pretty if you don't look too closely and don't see a difference between the WWF and the Joffrey ballet. Actually, I met one of the employees and he is a good guy whose interest in luger history led him to help me "rescue" (replacing with less rare lugers) a handful of rare lugers from being processed in the late 1990s.

08-08-2002, 12:30 AM	#13
LP08 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I got a 1914 Erfurt (mismatched sideplate from a Krieghoff), a couple G dates, a 1937 Navy but did not feel I had the money to get the unit marked Weimar lugers (nearly all had a few mismatched small parts). I sure wish I had rescued a few more of the 30's - 40s dates because some were beautiful and all original except for the grips and magazine. I also got some mags and grips because those are discarded in the "processing" of the lugers. Sure wish I had obtained more.

08-08-2002, 10:18 AM	#14
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Hermit, The M1900 Aimco Stainless repros were original made in 2000 to celebrate the 100th anniverary of the Luger. They were introducded at the annual NAPCA convention in Jan 2000 and were available to members with a NACPA inscription @ the $1500 price. Unfortunately for AIMCO, sales were poor; that's why they are still available, directly from the manufacturer. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

08-08-2002, 04:41 PM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	LP08, If only the lugerforum had existed at the time these atrocities took place, I am sure that many of the membership would have stepped forward and rescued all the rare ones and provided mixed parts guns for the so-called "processing." What a waste of a good Lugers! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*