Couldn't resist this one - Page 2

spripple33 · 11-16-2022, 03:56 PM

Gunbugs,

This SUCKS and I really hope it works out ok for you! I almost went for the one Kiwi posted a link to and was waiting on an answer to a question when it sold but I damn near just bought it. Stupid scammers...

Roadster 02 · 11-16-2022, 06:33 PM

Just think if these jackwagons were to apply all their brainpower to constructive uses, instead of figuring out ways to cheat and scam folks out of their money.

RWBlue01 · 11-20-2022, 12:30 AM

You know I agree there are some issues with GB, but I am 26 purchases in and have a problem.
I think part of it is because I am paranoid and download photos and then do google search on the photo. I also look up addresses and see if it makes sense.

gunbugs · 11-20-2022, 03:57 AM

Well. I'm probably almost at 1,000 transactions on GB. (Not everybody leaves feedback). This is the first time I've had a serious issue. I've sold over 100k in guns on GB this year. Partly my fault for not being more diligent. It's not going to scare me off. I've got a Simpson police on the way. (Bought on GB). I'll just be a little more careful in the future. In the big scheme of things, this too shall pass. I haven't spent much time being upset. Life is too short. Just move on to the next deal. If I'm ever in Port St Lucie, I might do a little poking around.

ithacaartist · 11-20-2022, 03:10 PM

Here is a rundown of my related activities to add to this dogpile.

I've sold Erma parts on GB in close to 500 transactions. I accept PayPal, USPS money orders, and personal checks. The only problem ever encountered was a magazine I sent to Puerto Rico that was lost by USPS, with which I exclusively ship parts.

I've bought and sold several GB guns, also without a problem. Granted, they are shooters, not high end collectibles, so I'm generally not operating in an arena where big sums of money are involved--which may help explain the lack of trouble.

Several years ago, I caught a fresh GB listing for a Navy, committed to the asking price, and was gathering funds for the payment when my FFL dealer pointed out a problem with the "seller's" FFL copy, which had the holder's name and address doctored. That stopped the deal cold, of course, so no loss of money.

After doing a little digging for the heck of it, I found the same gun, same pics, listed on two other auction/listing sites. One of the listings was made by the actual owner and was legit, but he was asking more for it, which figures. I reported the scam listing on their sites. The scammer seemed to be located in Indianapolis or wherever, and I corresponded with the ATF's closest office and gave them the scoop. They are chronically understaffed/under-funded, so promised to do little or nothing, and that I wouldn't hear of any results thereafter. I posted the story here back then, but won't bother looking it up now.

Most of the guns I have were purchased from auction houses via Proxibid, which never presented any problems. No hangups, either, with deals made through the forum's WTS/WTB.

tomaustin · 11-20-2022, 10:39 PM

Ithaca....there is a whole lot of noise on the internet about PayPal holding accounts, not processing your funds, etc....have you had any problems recently doing business...?

Roadster 02 · 11-20-2022, 11:45 PM

Not to mention paypal is anti-gun. I personally don't do business with anyone who can't honor the 2nd.

Mac Cat · 11-21-2022, 02:41 PM

I got asked some credit check questions this week on GB, even though I had not bought anything. They didn't ask for further ID, but I had to identify previous addresses I lived at and a big purchase I had made 12 years ago. Oddly, it's the same things that I had to do for my Social Security and Medicare on-line accounts.

So, it may be true that they are tightening up their security. I sure hope so.

Roadster 02 · 11-23-2022, 05:59 PM

Get your money back gunbugs?

gunbugs · 11-23-2022, 08:45 PM

Nope. Don't think I ever will. I've placed calls to the Postal Inspectors in Florida, and Alaska and never received a reply. I'm pretty sure no one in the Post Office is capable of answering a phone call. I'm not worried about it. I've got other "fish to fry". Me complaining about it won't make things any better. So I'll just carry on.

Roadster 02 · 11-23-2022, 09:31 PM

Very sorry to hear that. One can only hope that these kind of scum are in the minority. I guess it's "buyer beware" .

gunbugs · 11-23-2022, 10:21 PM

I'll freely admit I made a couple of stupid mistakes. Out of hundreds and hundreds of transactions, I'd never been scammed before. I let my guard down, and have learned a valuable lesson or two. Or three. Se La vie, Se La Guerre, Se La Merde.

Daniel76 · 01-23-2023, 11:46 PM

Well...this pistol is back again. This time the seller is supposedly in St. Petersburg.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/967941614

He's also got another entire rig (holster, stock & trommel mag) for the same price.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/967941616

Wonder what he'd do if I 'Bought It Now' and said I'd be right over tomorrow to pick it up in person.

Roadster 02 · 01-24-2023, 11:28 AM

Always has to be some dirtbag that ruins it for the rest. I hope Karma is a beatch for this jerk.

Good-Day · 01-25-2023, 08:02 PM

Looks like he pulled the Listings

Agreed hopefully Karma catches up

hayhugh · 01-26-2023, 12:22 PM

UUgio2 A(37)
No longer a registered user
Seller's Items for Sale

gunbugs · 01-26-2023, 08:45 PM

Looks like these jokers have figured out how to hack into other seller's accounts. A strong password is advised.

ithacaartist · 01-29-2023, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomaustin

Ithaca....there is a whole lot of noise on the internet about PayPal holding accounts, not processing your funds, etc....have you had any problems recently doing business...?

Just noticed this question. Tom.

I've taken at least 300 payments for gun parts transacted via PayPal over at last 7 or 8 years. I'm aware of their stance/policy, so have never mentioned the word "gun" in any invoice, etc. Nary a hitch encountered, and although I haven't been listing for at least the last year or so--and cannot speak from a body of strictly recent experience--I was just paid via PayPal for an Erma firing pin and firing pin spring guide/ejector for an Ep-22 last week.

ithacaartist · 01-29-2023, 12:41 AM

Several years ago I caught a fresh listing for a Navy on Armslist, I think it was. At a right dandy price, so I committed to buy and began correspondence. While I was busy siphoning off a bit of my IRA to pay for it, my FFL dealer informed me that there was something fishy about the FFL copy he'd been sent. The number didn't line up with the name, and the address was in a different state...fraudulent indeed. I found the same gun listed on at least two other classified/auction sites, and the owner of the listing with the most realistic asking price turned out to be the real owner of the gun. I told him about the other sites and listings, and gave all the info to the seller's most local ATF office, which basically promised to do nothing.

In light of this, a good rule of thumb might be to make sure a valid FFL is sent before you let go of funds for a gun. Transacting through FFLs does provide the benefit of ability to verify what's on the other end of a deal, and provides accountability.

11-16-2022, 03:56 PM	#21
spripple33 User Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Gettysburg, PA Posts: 85 Thanks: 137 Thanked 167 Times in 54 Posts	almost got me too Gunbugs, This SUCKS and I really hope it works out ok for you! I almost went for the one Kiwi posted a link to and was waiting on an answer to a question when it sold but I damn near just bought it. Stupid scammers...

11-20-2022, 03:10 PM	#25
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Here is a rundown of my related activities to add to this dogpile. I've sold Erma parts on GB in close to 500 transactions. I accept PayPal, USPS money orders, and personal checks. The only problem ever encountered was a magazine I sent to Puerto Rico that was lost by USPS, with which I exclusively ship parts. I've bought and sold several GB guns, also without a problem. Granted, they are shooters, not high end collectibles, so I'm generally not operating in an arena where big sums of money are involved--which may help explain the lack of trouble. Several years ago, I caught a fresh GB listing for a Navy, committed to the asking price, and was gathering funds for the payment when my FFL dealer pointed out a problem with the "seller's" FFL copy, which had the holder's name and address doctored. That stopped the deal cold, of course, so no loss of money. After doing a little digging for the heck of it, I found the same gun, same pics, listed on two other auction/listing sites. One of the listings was made by the actual owner and was legit, but he was asking more for it, which figures. I reported the scam listing on their sites. The scammer seemed to be located in Indianapolis or wherever, and I corresponded with the ATF's closest office and gave them the scoop. They are chronically understaffed/under-funded, so promised to do little or nothing, and that I wouldn't hear of any results thereafter. I posted the story here back then, but won't bother looking it up now. Most of the guns I have were purchased from auction houses via Proxibid, which never presented any problems. No hangups, either, with deals made through the forum's WTS/WTB. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

01-29-2023, 12:41 AM	#39
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Several years ago I caught a fresh listing for a Navy on Armslist, I think it was. At a right dandy price, so I committed to buy and began correspondence. While I was busy siphoning off a bit of my IRA to pay for it, my FFL dealer informed me that there was something fishy about the FFL copy he'd been sent. The number didn't line up with the name, and the address was in a different state...fraudulent indeed. I found the same gun listed on at least two other classified/auction sites, and the owner of the listing with the most realistic asking price turned out to be the real owner of the gun. I told him about the other sites and listings, and gave all the info to the seller's most local ATF office, which basically promised to do nothing. In light of this, a good rule of thumb might be to make sure a valid FFL is sent before you let go of funds for a gun. Transacting through FFLs does provide the benefit of ability to verify what's on the other end of a deal, and provides accountability. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-16-2022, 06:33 PM	#22
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	Just think if these jackwagons were to apply all their brainpower to constructive uses, instead of figuring out ways to cheat and scam folks out of their money.

11-20-2022, 12:30 AM	#23
RWBlue01 User Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 20 Thanks: 15 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	You know I agree there are some issues with GB, but I am 26 purchases in and have a problem. I think part of it is because I am paranoid and download photos and then do google search on the photo. I also look up addresses and see if it makes sense.

11-20-2022, 03:57 AM	#24
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	Well. I'm probably almost at 1,000 transactions on GB. (Not everybody leaves feedback). This is the first time I've had a serious issue. I've sold over 100k in guns on GB this year. Partly my fault for not being more diligent. It's not going to scare me off. I've got a Simpson police on the way. (Bought on GB). I'll just be a little more careful in the future. In the big scheme of things, this too shall pass. I haven't spent much time being upset. Life is too short. Just move on to the next deal. If I'm ever in Port St Lucie, I might do a little poking around.

11-20-2022, 10:39 PM	#26
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	Ithaca....there is a whole lot of noise on the internet about PayPal holding accounts, not processing your funds, etc....have you had any problems recently doing business...?

11-20-2022, 11:45 PM	#27
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	Not to mention paypal is anti-gun. I personally don't do business with anyone who can't honor the 2nd.

11-21-2022, 02:41 PM	#28
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 731 Thanks: 2,095 Thanked 610 Times in 329 Posts	I got asked some credit check questions this week on GB, even though I had not bought anything. They didn't ask for further ID, but I had to identify previous addresses I lived at and a big purchase I had made 12 years ago. Oddly, it's the same things that I had to do for my Social Security and Medicare on-line accounts. So, it may be true that they are tightening up their security. I sure hope so.

11-23-2022, 05:59 PM	#29
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	Get your money back gunbugs?

11-23-2022, 08:45 PM	#30
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	Nope. Don't think I ever will. I've placed calls to the Postal Inspectors in Florida, and Alaska and never received a reply. I'm pretty sure no one in the Post Office is capable of answering a phone call. I'm not worried about it. I've got other "fish to fry". Me complaining about it won't make things any better. So I'll just carry on.

11-23-2022, 09:31 PM	#31
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	Very sorry to hear that. One can only hope that these kind of scum are in the minority. I guess it's "buyer beware" .

11-23-2022, 10:21 PM	#32
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	I'll freely admit I made a couple of stupid mistakes. Out of hundreds and hundreds of transactions, I'd never been scammed before. I let my guard down, and have learned a valuable lesson or two. Or three. Se La vie, Se La Guerre, Se La Merde.

01-23-2023, 11:46 PM	#33
Daniel76 User Join Date: May 2021 Location: Texas Posts: 41 Thanks: 76 Thanked 116 Times in 30 Posts	Well...this pistol is back again. This time the seller is supposedly in St. Petersburg. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/967941614 He's also got another entire rig (holster, stock & trommel mag) for the same price. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/967941616 Wonder what he'd do if I 'Bought It Now' and said I'd be right over tomorrow to pick it up in person.

01-24-2023, 11:28 AM	#34
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	Always has to be some dirtbag that ruins it for the rest. I hope Karma is a beatch for this jerk.

01-25-2023, 08:02 PM	#35
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 97 Thanks: 82 Thanked 101 Times in 32 Posts	Looks like he pulled the Listings Agreed hopefully Karma catches up

01-26-2023, 12:22 PM	#36
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	UUgio2 A(37) No longer a registered user Seller's Items for Sale

01-26-2023, 08:45 PM	#37
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	Looks like these jokers have figured out how to hack into other seller's accounts. A strong password is advised.