GB P08 1937 S/42 Beware

tharpo · 02-05-2023, 04:03 PM

There is a whole list of things wrong with this one. Starting with the fact that there were no 1937 Lugers produced with an "o" suffix.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/967183306

CJS57 · 02-06-2023, 10:13 AM

Interesting. Seems like it would be a lot of work to create an O block Luger? And if person has the talent to do that seems like they would check for a different suffix? Sold for over $3K! Please help us with the thing wrong with it. Thanks!

Roadster 02 · 02-06-2023, 12:02 PM

Ya know for sure the grips aren't right

gunbugs · 02-06-2023, 09:10 PM

Hallock on page 137 notes there is a likely possibility of "O" suffix 1937's.

tharpo · 02-06-2023, 09:48 PM

The earliest reported 1937 S/42 as per Hallock and Van de Kant is 380p. Jan Still reports 4500p. This gun is around 10,000 before this. So no one has seen an "o" suffix 1937 before.
- The straw looks redone.
- The extractor should be blued color not bronze.
- The ejector is incorrectly in the white.
- There should be halos around the serial number on the bottom of the barrel. There are none.
- The "matching magazine" is a fabrication.
- The grips are not original.
- The 6 on the safety lever bar may be a restamp.
- White stuff in all the markings hiding the stamps.
As the seller states it is a scarce variation!

gunbugs · 02-06-2023, 10:05 PM

I agree with your observations, I noted the ejector, extractor and straw as well, and sometimes a gun is "too good". Hallock notes serial number 380p being the lowest "observed" pistol, and notes there may be a possiblity of "o" suffix pistols existing, but not reported. Although I wouldn't expect a 3 digit serial number. Just because we haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

gunnertwo · 02-06-2023, 11:14 PM

It's unfortunate collectors refuse to research guns before they spend such large amounts of money.

G2

Deputywood · 02-07-2023, 06:49 AM

At what sn range did Mauser switch from rust blue to salt blue in the 1937?

CJS57 · 02-07-2023, 08:33 AM

So how does a fake Luger like this one come to be? Did someone take a 1936 or other chamber date gun and grind off the date and add the 1937? Why would anyone go to so much work? Finally the grip screws are redone as well.

02-05-2023, 04:03 PM	#1
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	GB P08 1937 S/42 Beware There is a whole list of things wrong with this one. Starting with the fact that there were no 1937 Lugers produced with an "o" suffix. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/967183306

02-06-2023, 10:13 AM	#2
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	Interesting. Seems like it would be a lot of work to create an O block Luger? And if person has the talent to do that seems like they would check for a different suffix? Sold for over $3K! Please help us with the thing wrong with it. Thanks!

02-06-2023, 12:02 PM	#3
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	Ya know for sure the grips aren't right

02-06-2023, 09:10 PM	#4
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 660 Thanks: 366 Thanked 1,179 Times in 395 Posts	Hallock on page 137 notes there is a likely possibility of "O" suffix 1937's.

02-06-2023, 09:48 PM	#5
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	The earliest reported 1937 S/42 as per Hallock and Van de Kant is 380p. Jan Still reports 4500p. This gun is around 10,000 before this. So no one has seen an "o" suffix 1937 before. - The straw looks redone. - The extractor should be blued color not bronze. - The ejector is incorrectly in the white. - There should be halos around the serial number on the bottom of the barrel. There are none. - The "matching magazine" is a fabrication. - The grips are not original. - The 6 on the safety lever bar may be a restamp. - White stuff in all the markings hiding the stamps. As the seller states it is a scarce variation!

02-06-2023, 10:05 PM	#6
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 660 Thanks: 366 Thanked 1,179 Times in 395 Posts	I agree with your observations, I noted the ejector, extractor and straw as well, and sometimes a gun is "too good". Hallock notes serial number 380p being the lowest "observed" pistol, and notes there may be a possiblity of "o" suffix pistols existing, but not reported. Although I wouldn't expect a 3 digit serial number. Just because we haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

02-06-2023, 11:14 PM	#7
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 623 Thanks: 826 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	It's unfortunate collectors refuse to research guns before they spend such large amounts of money. G2

02-07-2023, 06:49 AM	#8
Deputywood User Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 73 Thanks: 74 Thanked 87 Times in 36 Posts	At what sn range did Mauser switch from rust blue to salt blue in the 1937?

02-07-2023, 08:33 AM	#9
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	So how does a fake Luger like this one come to be? Did someone take a 1936 or other chamber date gun and grind off the date and add the 1937? Why would anyone go to so much work? Finally the grip screws are redone as well.