WWI (Great War) bringback

[Lugerdoc]

Where do I sign up to get someone to pay me for reading this sight everyday?

[Heydrich]

Herb:

Thanks for the keywords for me to investigate with my search engine. I spent a few hours looking over all kinds of fascinating surveillance related articles. I’d heard of Echelon before, but not Carnivore and Tempest. First off, the link you gave me was of dubious value. (http://psychicspy.com/) This site is an obvious conspiracy theory based Web site. Most of the articles and postings there are preposterous claptrap. Many of the other topics, such as military base manuals, NSA and Area 51 security manuals, offered only a modicum of interest. Although I did like the article on the Aurora aircraft. (I wonder if the Air Force really has that thing?)

Here is some of what I got for Tempest:

[TEMPEST is an official acronym for "Telecommunications Electronics Material Protected From Emanating Spurious Transmissions" and includes technical security countermeasures; standards, and instrumentation, which prevent (or minimize) the exploitation of security vulnerabilities by technical means. TEMPEST is nothing more then a fancy name for protecting against technical surveillance or eavesdropping of UNMODIFIED equipment.

When modern electrical devices operate they generate electromagnetic fields. Digital computers, radio equipment, typewriters, and so on generate massive amounts of electromagnetic signals which if properly intercepted and processed will allow certain amounts of information to be reconstructed based on these "compromising emanations". Basically anything with a microchip, diode, or transistor, gives off these fields.]

This is all very interesting. But the reality of the physics here is that for the emanations from the typical unmodified computer screen (15 or so inches) to be detected and converted at even the mere range of 12 feet away, you would need a receiver about 13 feet by 11 feet across. And outside this “transition zone” you would need a receiver hundreds of feet across. Clearly, if federal agents were spying on us this way, they would have to be no more than 10 feet away.

Here is some of what I got for Carnivore:

[Carnivore is apparently the third generation of online-detection software used by the FBI. While information about the first version has never been disclosed, many believe that it was actually a readily available commercial program called Etherpeek.]

If the FBI can’t get the suspect’s ISP to provide back-up copies of his or her computer records, they can get a court order (they need reasonable cause) to install the Carnivore device directly to the suspect’s ISP connection. It will then capture all of their on-line activities, e-mails, downloads, everything. None of this surprises me. This device only proves the FBI’s intent to go about investigating things like organized crime. And we already knew that anyway. So I don’t see what this has to do with people posting on an average message board like this.

Echelon:

[The ECHELON system, designed and coordinated by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) is one of the world's biggest, most closely held intelligence projects. Unlike many of the Cold War electronic spy systems, ECHELON is designed primarily to gather electronic transmissions from nonmilitary targets: governments, organizations, businesses, and individuals in virtually every country. The system works by indiscriminately intercepting very large quantities of communications and using computers to identify and extract messages of interest from the mass of unwanted ones.]

This surveillance system is well known. But the key phrase here is “extract messages of interest from the mass of unwanted ones.” I’m sure the NSA would consider postings dealing with things like WW1 leather holsters and the history of Georg Luger “unwanted” messages when they are looking for world-wide terrorists. Don’t you think?

Basically, none of this gives credence in my mind to the idea that Jews and federal agents are constantly reading our mundane messages here. Or on any other typical Web site for that matter. I guess you can just call me a skeptic. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

[Edward Tinker]

I'm lucky my wife never checks up on me.

She is the nicest, prettest woman alive!

{ [img]biggrin.gif[/img] just in case she is checking up on me [img]biggrin.gif[/img] }

[Karl]

I'm a federal agent, so I guess that Tacfoley and I have confirmed the fears that Jews and federal agents are indeed reading every post. KFS

[Roadkill]

There goes the neighborhood. Guess I'm going to have to get my 12 by 60 moved again, can't be having any of that sort around here. One trip for the trailer, twelve for the junk cars, three for the dogs, two for the lawn mowers, one for the four wheeler and ammunition. And just when you think you are getting to know somebody....

RK

[Frank]

Oh, Oh, no more posts from the Frankster!! Who would have thought??? <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

[Heydrich]

I stand corrected. I am now off to start my own conspiracy theory based Web site. LOL. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Herb]

Heydrich, my intent in providing the psychicspy site was not for anyone to read the info psted there, althought some of it is interesting, it was to show how he has been able to intercept addresses of the government agencies that have visited the site. I found that of interest, apparently those 'visitors' feel that something of interest might be revealed there and are keeping an eye on his info. Tempest is real, it has been around since back in the 70's and it fits inside a regular 'milk' truck and the intercept range is quite surprising. The other two use a system of picking out key words in a message and targeting them, thereby eliminating normal exchanges, much like a search engine does to find what you want to look for. Try http://grc.com find out if you are vulnerable, I bet you are sending info all over the place and are wide open to exploit.

[Hugh]

Hey Roadkill, doan fergit the cinder blocks tha junk cars wuz sittin on and thet thar tire swing. <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

[Roadkill]

Come on Hugh, show a little respect for the chicken/aramadillo thing. I know some perfectly decent folks, or one anyway, who was run over. Getting run over is easy. Getting over it was the hard part.


RK

[wterrell]

[quote]I stand corrected. I am now off to start my own conspiracy theory based Web site. LOL <hr></blockquote>

Heydrich,

A person should believe in little that has not been revealed or documented in the mainstream press. And then only about a third of that will be factual.

I wonder where you have been for the last 40 years or so as time and again it has been headline news that the gov't spies on its own citizens, poisons its citizens (viral & radiation), experiments on its citizens (LSD, syphillus), ad nausium. Did this not happen? I remember (newpaper headlines) that the FBI was keeping files on ordinary citizen in the early '70's while Nixon was in office. Is my understanding of the files presently kept here in Denver (as per newsmedia) merely a daydream?

Who said there was a conspiracy, anyway?! I merely say that it is government as usual.

P.S. I notice that you do not reveal your exact location in Oregon and you do not provide your email address. It appears that you also have a privacy issue!

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[wterrell]

Sorry John,

Size 12-D's make me mumble. <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

[Edward Tinker]

[img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Wes I get those too, so we must be related, but mine are 11.5's and sometimes they are hard to get out [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

[wterrell]

Explanations for the chicken crossing the road:

Why did the chicken cross the Road?

ERNEST HEMINGWAY;
To die. In the rain.

PLATO:
For the greater good

ARISTOTLE:
It is the nature of chickens to cross roads.

KARL MARX:
It was a historical inevitability.

RONALD REAGAN
I forget.

CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK;
To boldly go where no chicken has gone before.

MARTIN LUTHER KING JNR.;
I dream of a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads
without having their motives called into question.

FREUD; The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken
crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.

DARWIN;
Chickens, over great periods of time, have developed naturally in
such a way that they are now genetically disposed to cross the roads.

EINSTEIN;
Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the
chicken depends on your frame of reference.

BUDDHA;
Asking this question denies your own chicken nature.

RALPH WALDO EMERSON;
The chicken did not cross the road....it transcended it.

COLONEL SANDERS;
I missed one ?