OT...CA. State Gun Laws...

[Pete Ebbink]

Well here is the list of governmental paperwork you need to buy C&R's in CA-State...what a pain in the a**...

1. C&R type 03 license from the federal BATF. No problem; $ 35.00 and good for 3 years...

2. In CA-State you then need a Certificate of Elgibility (COE). Local police department takes your fingerprints (2-sets), and you send CA-State $ 18.00, good for one year. Yearly renewal is $ 18.00 and does not need more fingerprints. This COE establishes you are "worthy" of owning a gun.

3. Last year CA-State then required a Basic Handgun Safety Certificate, before you can buy any gun. It was a $ 25.00 fee, you took a 25-30 question test about common sense gun safety and gun laws. This certificate was good for a lifetime, and if you were a discharged veteran or had a valid hunting license, the fee was waived but you still took the test.

Now this year (2003) a new Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) is required. Those holding the older certificate from last year were not "grandfathered" in. You pay another $ 25.00 and take another test of 30 questions about safety and laws. But this new HSC is good only for 5 years and no one is grandfathered in, not even veterans.

4. When you buy a C&R pistol out-of state and have it brought into CA-State, you have 5 days to "register" it with the CA-DOJ firearms division and pay $ 14.00 for this registration. If you do more than one gun at the same time, the per gun fee drops to $ 10.00...

5. In-state sales between two holders of C&R licences are not allowed. As a matter of fact, no private party sales of any handguns is allowed within the State without going through a type 01 FFL holder...who do the instant-checks and all the paperwork and collect State fees and the transfer dealer fee.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> WHAT THE HECK WILL BE NEXT....???!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

P.S. Enough to entice this novice collector to move out-of-state... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

[Herb]

Pete, after living in that rotten republic of Kalifornia for 28 years what you have just posted is one of the reasons I got out of there. It was just a matter of time before they got me, I had my C&R and a goodly collection and My back fence was shared with a grade school. About 4 months after moving to Utah I took the concealed carry class and got my license about 4 weeks later, try that in KA. In those 28 years that state never did a thing for me always to me. They will do anything to grab some more of your money.

[Weissen]

And let me guess, gun crime is just as bad as ever in spite of these regulations and taxes right?

All too familiar to me unfortunately..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[tracyp]

Pete,

I think your incorrect on a couple of things you stated. If you have a C&R and COE, then your exempt from the Handgun Safety Certificate on C&R guns. Here's the Attorney General website that shows the exemption.

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/hscinfo.htm#hsccodes

Also, you don't have to register C&R guns. And as far as crime, last year Los Angeles was the murder capital in the U.S.

[Big Norm]

My brother lives in Escondido. He's always getting on my case when he is swimming in his pool while I am still shoveling snow in Michigan. But I get back at him when I tell him the price of gasoline in Michigan.

Kalifornia is a pretty state. But all states have something nice about them.
Big Norm

[Pete Ebbink]

Hello Tracy,

1. You are correct about not needing to wait the 10-days for any C&R pistol. But most local dealers that I buy lugers from do insist that I have the HSC. I think they do that to limit their liability incase I bring the C&R home and shoot myself in the foot or worse, a family member. By their insisting I have the HSC, they can atleast know I am not an idiot, gun-wise...

I do buy other pistols that are not yet on the C&R list, so I do run into the 10-day wait and 1 pistol per month issue. But you are right; I can buy as many C&R's in one month as I desire and do not need to do the 10-day wait.

2. I may still disagree with you on the point of whether C&R's need to be registered. Here is the text from the DOJ web site :

" Effective January 1, 1998, any person who moves into California and who brings any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is considered to be a "Personal Handgun Importer" and is required to do one of the following within 60 days:

Complete and submit a Report of Handgun Ownership form along with $14.00 to the Department of Justice. A separate report form and $14.00 fee is required for each handgun reported. Report of Handgun Ownership forms can be obtained from California Department of Motor Vehicles' offices, licensed firearms dealers, local police and sheriff's departments, the California Department of Justice Firearms Division at (916) 227-3703, and from the Online Forms Page at this site.

Sell or transfer the handgun(s) to a California licensed firearms dealer or to another individual using a California licensed firearms dealer to conduct the transaction.
or

Sell or transfer the handgun(s) to a California police or sheriff's department. Persons choosing this option should contact the law enforcement agency for instructions prior to transporting the handgun(s) to the agency.

Any person transporting handguns in California is required under California law to transport those handguns unloaded and in a locked container other than the glove compartment or utility compartment of a vehicle.

Please be aware that failure to comply with these mandated handgun requirements could result in criminal prosecution (Penal Code Section 12072(g)). "

This registration statute only states if the gun can be concealed on a person, it must be registered. If does not mention any exemption based on how old the pistol is...

This info. was from the DOJ wed site at :

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/ab991.htm

3. If you moved into CA-State after 1-1-98, you need to register all handguns. I was also advised, by a decent laywer friend, that if I buy C&R's out-of-state and bring them in, I need to register them. Since I am acting as a "personal handgun importer".

You might want to research this issue in more detail. You might have some C&R that the State might need to know about...

4. For any C&R's I find in CA-State, private party sales are not longer allowed, even between two C&R holders that both live in CA-State. Such a pistol sale would need to go through a Type 01 FFL dealer who does all the registration paperwork at point-of sale/transfer; so the pistol is still registered with the State and the BATF.

Sort of got you coming & going...

Best Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

[tracyp]

Pete,

That's if you move to California, not if you already live in California and have a C&R and COE. If all of what you said is true, there would be no point in having a C&R or COE. You don't have to register a C&R hangun, because you are an FFL. Does a dealer register a handgun when he receives it? No.

As far a dealer requiring a HSC for a C&R weapon, he's confused because California has so many firearms laws.

[Herb]

Pete and Tracy, be my guests over here for the big 4th of July street swap meet and parade. Nearly every year someone there has handguns for sale, no paperwork, no questions. Last year the Sheriff was checking out a .357 for his own use but didn't buy it. Whole different world here.

[Jimbo]

Pete,

I'm on the fence struggling to decide if I want to play the game the way the Socialist gov't here in California writes the rules. In the short term, I made it my goal to achieve at least a small Luger collection last year, going from 0 Lugers to 6, at a cost of about $9,000. I hadn't budget that money for a Luger collection, but I am grateful that I could manage it (with a Krieghoff, thank goodness!) and still beat the deadline for the stupid new California laws.

While I still lurk here and want to continue to learn about Mauser Lugers, the passion is not the same knowing I can't buy any more Lugers if I don't want to play California's game.

I guess I will have to be happy with my modest Luger collection.

So, anybody know where I can buy a nice all-matching Walther G43 Sniper rig? Because that is going to be my new avenue of collecting, until the California rifle laws screw that up too. So far, so good. I figure I would need at least 6 K43/G43 rifles to fill out a collection.

Ah, life is good if you make the best of it. And sorry I missed you in Reno. I've been out of work all week with this STUPID flu bug. Aaaarrrgghh.

[Jimbo]

PS,

My long term plan is to leave the State upon retirement. I mean, TO THE DAY! I plan to move to Virginia, but who knows. Alas, I am 15 years from retirement and counting the minutes.

I love my job, just hate the State govenment. Which is ironic since I work for it as a Structures Construction Engineer for the State of California working on the new $1.2 Billion Oakland-San Francisco bridge replacement, I am too vested into the retirement system to want to start my engineering career over again. Even though I could easily make $20,000 more per year in the San Francisco private sector, before bonuses.

That said, I'll be taking my pension elsewhere upon retirement, that's for sure.

[Thor]

NM Governor signs the Concealed Carry Law today-'BOUT TIME!!!

[Herb]

Just received my April issue of the Blueribbon magazine, a pro access rights to public lands org. I read with interest that the CA off highway vehicle commission which manages trail maintenance, restrooms, signs and maps, and general operation of off highway activities is now being managed by a newly appointed anti-OHV majority, thanks to the state legislators. Doesn't surprise me, that is how CA works. What a bunch of idiots!

[AGE]

Thor,

That's great, now you can get legal. I assume there are some hoops to jump through to get your CCW, but it's great knowing you can carry. I've had CCWs for the last 30 years in PA, CT and now FL. Very comforting. In FL it even avoids any waiting period on purchases.