Post war East German manufactured Lugers!

Kyrie · 06-05-2002, 06:54 PM

Hi Folks!

It appears that there may have been a small number of new production Lugers, manufactured in East Germany between 1953 and 1957, at the Haenel Werk (which would become a part of the Ernst Thalmann Werk). IÃ¢??m working on obtaining more information....

Warm regards,

Kyrie

Edward Tinker · 06-06-2002, 04:28 AM

Kyrie, you think these were made from parts?

Or what rumors have you heard?

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Bud · 06-06-2002, 08:16 AM

Yeah, that sounds interesting. Wouldn't mind having one myself as an occasional shooter.

Lugerdoc · 06-06-2002, 08:42 AM

Kyrie, If you're speaking of the 150 new production EG made PO8s without midtoggle markings, stock lug or lanyard loop, these are pretty rare items here in the US and are generally selling in the $1500 range. Tom

Kyrie · 06-06-2002, 06:16 PM

Hi Tom!

I honestly donÃ¢??t know what IÃ¢??m talking about just yet ;-)

These were the few Lugers made at the Haenel Werk, sometime between 1952 and 1957. Production was contemporary with the Ã¢??1001-0Ã¢?Â and fill in the cartridge Walther PP production. IÃ¢??m attempting to find markings, serial number range, and so on. Does this sound like the Lugers you referenced?

These seem to be like (in terms of rarity) the first post war P.38Ã¢??s - those made with steel frames - before the Federal German Army insisted on an alloy frame.

Warm regards,

Kyrie

Thor · 06-07-2002, 01:28 AM

Thanks Kyrie, as Arty Johnson used to say during "LaughIn" "....vEEeeeeeeery Interesting" <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Kyrie · 06-08-2002, 04:57 PM

Hi Folks!

Here is what IÃ¢??ve learned so far, courtesy of a German friend and fellow collector.

Some small (unknown) number of Lugers were produced in East Germany as part of a gunsmithing program in one of the State run gunsmith schools. These were completely new production, and used no existing Luger parts. The only markings were East German commercial proofs (which look like pre-war German proofs) and serial numbers, which were longer than four digits. The size of the numbers larger than we normally see on Lugers - about four mm.

Additional information welcome!

Warm regards,

Kyrie
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John Sabato · 06-10-2002, 02:13 PM

This is very interesting news. Tom H & Kyrie... I had not even heard rumors about this before... Please keep this thread alive with whatever you find out.

Does this mean that there may be a NEW set of blueprints out there in the former EG? Perhaps this is something that one of our German members might be able to research?

thanks...

Lonnie Zimmerman · 06-11-2002, 12:48 AM

The EG Luger I have has an EG frame and some small parts are Early Nazi. It was made in 1953 (June)
Lonnie

John Sabato · 06-12-2002, 05:09 PM

Lonnie, how about posting some closeup photos of your EG Luger?

I think that would be a treat to those of us that have never seen one. How well are these frames finished? I understand that the EG's did excellent work on guns, especially their version of the Makarov...

G.W. Gill · 06-14-2002, 02:49 AM

I have an E. German Mag, and I tried to put a ww2 bakelite bottom on it. The mag catch comes up short. This looks good, but is not functional. Does anyone know how to fix this without using the dremel tool?

lugerholsterrepair · 06-16-2002, 12:55 AM

[quote]Originally posted by G.W. Gill:
I have an E. German Mag, and I tried to put a ww2 bakelite bottom on it. The mag catch comes up short. This looks good, but is not functional. Does anyone know how to fix this without using the dremel tool?<hr></blockquote>

G.W., You might give GT a try as he is a mag specialist and forum member...Look in the profile section or some such for his Email. I am just getting used to this new forum and do not have his Email address handy.

Lonnie Zimmerman · 06-17-2002, 01:04 AM

John; I am not able to post pictures, but the workmanship on the EG Luger I have is CRUDE compared to the prewar and wartime Lugers. (including Erfurts)
Lonnie

Lonnie Zimmerman · 06-17-2002, 07:15 PM

John; I have no camera, etc or the ability to send picture of the EG Luger. I believe Bill Munis or Tom Heller have these pistols and hope they can send you pictures. Sorry.
Lonnie

Lugerdoc · 06-18-2002, 09:43 AM

Sorry but I don't have photo capabilities either. Tom H.

06-05-2002, 06:54 PM	#1
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Post war East German manufactured Lugers! Hi Folks! It appears that there may have been a small number of new production Lugers, manufactured in East Germany between 1953 and 1957, at the Haenel Werk (which would become a part of the Ernst Thalmann Werk). IÃ¢??m working on obtaining more information.... Warm regards, Kyrie

06-06-2002, 04:28 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Kyrie, you think these were made from parts? Or what rumors have you heard? [img]confused.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-06-2002, 08:42 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Kyrie, If you're speaking of the 150 new production EG made PO8s without midtoggle markings, stock lug or lanyard loop, these are pretty rare items here in the US and are generally selling in the $1500 range. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

06-07-2002, 01:28 AM	#6
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Thanks Kyrie, as Arty Johnson used to say during "LaughIn" "....vEEeeeeeeery Interesting" <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email [email protected] ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

06-10-2002, 02:13 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	This is very interesting news. Tom H & Kyrie... I had not even heard rumors about this before... Please keep this thread alive with whatever you find out. Does this mean that there may be a NEW set of blueprints out there in the former EG? Perhaps this is something that one of our German members might be able to research? thanks... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-06-2002, 08:16 AM	#3
Bud User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah, that sounds interesting. Wouldn't mind having one myself as an occasional shooter.

06-06-2002, 06:16 PM	#5
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Hi Tom! I honestly donÃ¢??t know what IÃ¢??m talking about just yet ;-) These were the few Lugers made at the Haenel Werk, sometime between 1952 and 1957. Production was contemporary with the Ã¢??1001-0Ã¢?Â and fill in the cartridge Walther PP production. IÃ¢??m attempting to find markings, serial number range, and so on. Does this sound like the Lugers you referenced? These seem to be like (in terms of rarity) the first post war P.38Ã¢??s - those made with steel frames - before the Federal German Army insisted on an alloy frame. Warm regards, Kyrie

06-08-2002, 04:57 PM	#7
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Hi Folks! Here is what IÃ¢??ve learned so far, courtesy of a German friend and fellow collector. Some small (unknown) number of Lugers were produced in East Germany as part of a gunsmithing program in one of the State run gunsmith schools. These were completely new production, and used no existing Luger parts. The only markings were East German commercial proofs (which look like pre-war German proofs) and serial numbers, which were longer than four digits. The size of the numbers larger than we normally see on Lugers - about four mm. Additional information welcome! Warm regards, Kyrie Moderator - Cruffler_Forum on Yahoo Groups "The flame free C&R Forum."

06-11-2002, 12:48 AM	#9
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The EG Luger I have has an EG frame and some small parts are Early Nazi. It was made in 1953 (June) Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

06-12-2002, 05:09 PM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Lonnie, how about posting some closeup photos of your EG Luger? I think that would be a treat to those of us that have never seen one. How well are these frames finished? I understand that the EG's did excellent work on guns, especially their version of the Makarov... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-14-2002, 02:49 AM	#11
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have an E. German Mag, and I tried to put a ww2 bakelite bottom on it. The mag catch comes up short. This looks good, but is not functional. Does anyone know how to fix this without using the dremel tool?

06-16-2002, 12:55 AM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by G.W. Gill: I have an E. German Mag, and I tried to put a ww2 bakelite bottom on it. The mag catch comes up short. This looks good, but is not functional. Does anyone know how to fix this without using the dremel tool?<hr></blockquote> G.W., You might give GT a try as he is a mag specialist and forum member...Look in the profile section or some such for his Email. I am just getting used to this new forum and do not have his Email address handy. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-17-2002, 01:04 AM	#13
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John; I am not able to post pictures, but the workmanship on the EG Luger I have is CRUDE compared to the prewar and wartime Lugers. (including Erfurts) Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

06-17-2002, 07:15 PM	#14
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John; I have no camera, etc or the ability to send picture of the EG Luger. I believe Bill Munis or Tom Heller have these pistols and hope they can send you pictures. Sorry. Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

06-18-2002, 09:43 AM	#15
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Sorry but I don't have photo capabilities either. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]