Thoughts on this Navy???

sharpsman2002 · 08-23-2004, 07:59 PM

Hi all--

I've been thinking about purchasing the following gun. Just curious what you experts think of this piece? Much appreciated.

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/06navy2d1.htm

lugercollector · 08-23-2004, 10:27 PM

In the advertisment it does not mention that the gun is "original finish"......I would suspect that it may have been refinished at some point....if so,the value of the piece is greatly reduced!!

lugerholsterrepair · 08-23-2004, 11:34 PM

I took a good look at it and it dosen't look re finished to me. $6500 is a chunk O change....

If you just want a Navy this is a model that is really expensive.

Tom Armstrong is selling off a few of his Navy pieces. You might check with him to see what he has just for comparison. He will steer you right, no question. Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 08-24-2004, 11:15 AM

I agree, if you want a Navy, contact Tom A... you can be certain that you get exactly what you are hoping for... or Tom will tell you so...

Tomathvl · 08-24-2004, 09:06 PM

My opinion, be careful with this seller. Actually, IÃ¢??d recommend you donÃ¢??t do business with him. Once again heÃ¢??s advertising a 98%+ piece. The photography is excellent in masking the real condition of the gun. I had a previous post, which I canÃ¢??t locate, explaining how he didnÃ¢??t honor a 3 day return for a purchase I made because of defects he didnÃ¢??t list and the finish wasnÃ¢??t, in my opinion, 98%+. If you donÃ¢??t agree with his assessment he will not honor his 3 day return because heÃ¢??s telling you in the disclaimer language that thatÃ¢??s a subjective evaluation and heÃ¢??s not shipping guns for folks to look at. I agree with previous posts regarding seeking others to buy from. The price heÃ¢??s asking is pretty steep for something you canÃ¢??t hold in your hands prior to committing to purchase.
Tom

PAOLO · 08-25-2004, 02:20 AM

Sharpsman
It's very difficult to say whether the gun was refinished at some point.If it was,it was done very well.The only thing I'm sure is that the mag is a fake.The numbers are smaller in size as the original ones,the M-crown is also smaller it has to be,and the rings are different from the original ones.

Tomathvl · 08-25-2004, 08:44 PM

I believe JerryÃ¢??s assessment is correct. The gun has not been refinished. Take a look at the grip safety and youÃ¢??ll see a large percentage of finish missing. Other shots that show the grip safety donÃ¢??t reveal the same detail at a glance. One of the photos of the gun shows some discoloration on the barrel, this would be more obvious in different light and may not look as good as the photo. The lighting is the key. The photos are also copyrighted and protected so that you canÃ¢??t download them and change the lighting to get a true picture of what is for sale. Believe me when I say the gun will not look like the pictures when you get it in your hands. Sorry if I sound like a sore loser, but if I can prevent one other person from getting taken by this sleazebag, IÃ¢??ll be happy.

Pete Ebbink · 08-25-2004, 09:05 PM

Hey Tom,

There is an easy way to "strip" photos off this web-site...and others like it that try to copy protect...

When you and I have a chance on Saturday down in Chattanooga, I will set up my laptop and show you.

Here is the Navy magazine and stampings critiqued earlier...

Regards,

Pete...

Tomathvl · 08-25-2004, 09:16 PM

Thanks Pete, looking forward to it.
Tom

08-23-2004, 07:59 PM	#1
sharpsman2002 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thoughts on this Navy??? Hi all-- I've been thinking about purchasing the following gun. Just curious what you experts think of this piece? Much appreciated. http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/06navy2d1.htm

08-23-2004, 11:34 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	I took a good look at it and it dosen't look re finished to me. $6500 is a chunk O change.... If you just want a Navy this is a model that is really expensive. Tom Armstrong is selling off a few of his Navy pieces. You might check with him to see what he has just for comparison. He will steer you right, no question. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-24-2004, 11:15 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I agree, if you want a Navy, contact Tom A... you can be certain that you get exactly what you are hoping for... or Tom will tell you so... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-25-2004, 02:20 AM	#6
PAOLO User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cremona, Italy Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sharpsman It's very difficult to say whether the gun was refinished at some point.If it was,it was done very well.The only thing I'm sure is that the mag is a fake.The numbers are smaller in size as the original ones,the M-crown is also smaller it has to be,and the rings are different from the original ones. __________________ PAOLO

08-23-2004, 10:27 PM	#2
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	In the advertisment it does not mention that the gun is "original finish"......I would suspect that it may have been refinished at some point....if so,the value of the piece is greatly reduced!!

08-24-2004, 09:06 PM	#5
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	My opinion, be careful with this seller. Actually, IÃ¢??d recommend you donÃ¢??t do business with him. Once again heÃ¢??s advertising a 98%+ piece. The photography is excellent in masking the real condition of the gun. I had a previous post, which I canÃ¢??t locate, explaining how he didnÃ¢??t honor a 3 day return for a purchase I made because of defects he didnÃ¢??t list and the finish wasnÃ¢??t, in my opinion, 98%+. If you donÃ¢??t agree with his assessment he will not honor his 3 day return because heÃ¢??s telling you in the disclaimer language that thatÃ¢??s a subjective evaluation and heÃ¢??s not shipping guns for folks to look at. I agree with previous posts regarding seeking others to buy from. The price heÃ¢??s asking is pretty steep for something you canÃ¢??t hold in your hands prior to committing to purchase. Tom

08-25-2004, 08:44 PM	#7
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	I believe JerryÃ¢??s assessment is correct. The gun has not been refinished. Take a look at the grip safety and youÃ¢??ll see a large percentage of finish missing. Other shots that show the grip safety donÃ¢??t reveal the same detail at a glance. One of the photos of the gun shows some discoloration on the barrel, this would be more obvious in different light and may not look as good as the photo. The lighting is the key. The photos are also copyrighted and protected so that you canÃ¢??t download them and change the lighting to get a true picture of what is for sale. Believe me when I say the gun will not look like the pictures when you get it in your hands. Sorry if I sound like a sore loser, but if I can prevent one other person from getting taken by this sleazebag, IÃ¢??ll be happy.

08-25-2004, 09:05 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hey Tom, There is an easy way to "strip" photos off this web-site...and others like it that try to copy protect... When you and I have a chance on Saturday down in Chattanooga, I will set up my laptop and show you. Here is the Navy magazine and stampings critiqued earlier... Regards, Pete...

08-25-2004, 09:16 PM	#9
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Thanks Pete, looking forward to it. Tom