Super rare or scam?

Herb · 10-25-2003, 07:14 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...4&category=135

trigger643 · 10-25-2003, 09:53 PM

Herb, this item has been up for some months, and perhaps discussed elsewhere on this board. It has certainly been discussed upon one of the boards the I frequent... about a dozen, and, well, I don't recall exactly, but... It's about a 50/50 split on whether this item is legit or not. I have had one in my hands, and I tend to think it is a true item, based upon the pictures (I reserve the right to question it were it actually in my hands). However. As this thing has been floating on Ebay and GunBroker and GunsAmerica for about 90 to 120 days, I must guess the price is too high. Glen

wterrell · 10-25-2003, 11:49 PM

Different seller this month. Well, maybe same seller with different moniker on another auction site.
Here is a link to the previous sale:

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temNum=4956010

Here is a link to the previous discussion:

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lugerfo...;f=15;t=000210

Herb · 10-26-2003, 12:37 AM

The reason I posted this is that the seller makes mention of the green verdigris that has accumulated in the last 100 years. My sister in law use to do little craft work thingies using copper sheets. I have bought a compound for her in KA when I lived there and when we visited her in Utah would give it to her. This stuff would make virtually new copper turn to a great vertigris green in a very short time,like overnight as I recall. Since the invention of computers and other things I have experienced in the last 60+ years I am of the opinion that one should believe nothing that you hear and less than half of what you see. I'm not implying that this seller is not legit, just that I am a skeptic when I am not armed with extensive knowledge of the subject at hand, (read don't know $hit about nothing) However, I do admit to knowing good Kentucky whiskey when I find it.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-26-2003, 01:54 AM

Herb, Trigger43, It's my opinion that the holster is real alright. The verdigris is not a very good indicator as you say, not because someone can activate it on demand but because it occurs so rapidly. In just a year or two verdigris can form on brass in proximity to leather.

The real indicator is the patina on the leather and the stitching. If you take a close look at the toe you will see this is old time craftsmanship and there is genuine wear on the edges. On the rounded piece in the above photo's you can see the stitching up close and it is linen thread. You will notice it is corded. Linen thread, while not all that difficult to find is not on the shelves at Walmart. It takes huge needles on a power sewing machine. This holster was not made in the recent past. Why it was configured and then reversed? Who knows, the sellers ideas are as good as any. This still doesn't make it look any better.

There is some speculation by a Forum Member I trust implicitly that the markings might not be what they should be, but even he says it would require some research.

In any event, it is horribly disfigured and why anyone would want it is a mystery to me.

If anyone out there thinks it has great value please log on and give your opinion as to why. Just curious.

I have been asked by more than one person if there is any possible way to restore this holster and I do not believe there is any hope for it as it has too much damage to cover. Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 10-26-2003, 02:01 AM

Guys,

This is the holster I had in mind when I asked the questions in my previous thread about "US Test Holster Orientation"...

If most or all of the 1,000 Test holsters were made for a right hand carry, in the calvary style (butt forward)...then is a left-handed version documented somewhere ?

I noticed "Revshop" was the winner of the holster on e-Bay last time it was for sale...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...7&category=135

Oos...! Missed it during my first reads...this particular holster is speculated to have been "inverted' at some point it time...that is why some of the suede-finish is on the outside and vice versa...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Ron Wood · 10-26-2003, 02:48 AM

I have looked at this holster time and again, trying to convince myself that it is an elaborate fraud. But, I have to agree with Jerry that it is an authentic US Test holster that has been seriously mutilated and probably beyond any recovery efforts for restoration. That is unfortunate, and has reduced its value to a fraction of what its historical importance should merit. It is a real shame, because it is in excellent condition otherwise.

drbuster · 10-26-2003, 10:13 AM

Pardon me for apparently missing something. This holster apparently went to "Revshop" on October 4th for just a hair under $1500! The seller's reserve WAS met! Why is this item up for sale again? I was following the bidding and couldn't believe it went for $1499 with all its problems and questions. Did "Revshop" not carry through with the purchase?

lugerholsterrepair · 10-26-2003, 04:19 PM

Pete, Calvary is where Jesus died. Cavalry are horse mounted troops....Probably just a typo....

Herb, Looks like revshop backed out of the deal for some reason. Anyone that would buy this for $1500.00 is a candidate for the looney bin. Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 10-26-2003, 06:59 PM

Hello Jerry...

Thanks for catching my typo...I know better...!

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

drbuster · 10-26-2003, 11:27 PM

Thanks, Jerry, for the info re Revshop. Also, I lost the Krieghoff holster you bid for earlier on e-bay. Things like that are tough to win.

Pete Ebbink · 12-02-2003, 12:23 AM

Back for auction on Auction-Arms...now with a starting price of $ 1,999.00...geez...!

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=5260500

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

10-25-2003, 07:14 PM	#1
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Super rare or scam? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...4&category=135 __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

10-25-2003, 09:53 PM	#2
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Herb, this item has been up for some months, and perhaps discussed elsewhere on this board. It has certainly been discussed upon one of the boards the I frequent... about a dozen, and, well, I don't recall exactly, but... It's about a 50/50 split on whether this item is legit or not. I have had one in my hands, and I tend to think it is a true item, based upon the pictures (I reserve the right to question it were it actually in my hands). However. As this thing has been floating on Ebay and GunBroker and GunsAmerica for about 90 to 120 days, I must guess the price is too high. Glen __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

10-25-2003, 11:49 PM	#3
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Different seller this month. Well, maybe same seller with different moniker on another auction site. Here is a link to the previous sale: http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temNum=4956010 Here is a link to the previous discussion: http://forums.lugerforum.com/lugerfo...;f=15;t=000210 __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-26-2003, 12:37 AM	#4
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The reason I posted this is that the seller makes mention of the green verdigris that has accumulated in the last 100 years. My sister in law use to do little craft work thingies using copper sheets. I have bought a compound for her in KA when I lived there and when we visited her in Utah would give it to her. This stuff would make virtually new copper turn to a great vertigris green in a very short time,like overnight as I recall. Since the invention of computers and other things I have experienced in the last 60+ years I am of the opinion that one should believe nothing that you hear and less than half of what you see. I'm not implying that this seller is not legit, just that I am a skeptic when I am not armed with extensive knowledge of the subject at hand, (read don't know $hit about nothing) However, I do admit to knowing good Kentucky whiskey when I find it. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

10-26-2003, 01:54 AM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Herb, Trigger43, It's my opinion that the holster is real alright. The verdigris is not a very good indicator as you say, not because someone can activate it on demand but because it occurs so rapidly. In just a year or two verdigris can form on brass in proximity to leather. The real indicator is the patina on the leather and the stitching. If you take a close look at the toe you will see this is old time craftsmanship and there is genuine wear on the edges. On the rounded piece in the above photo's you can see the stitching up close and it is linen thread. You will notice it is corded. Linen thread, while not all that difficult to find is not on the shelves at Walmart. It takes huge needles on a power sewing machine. This holster was not made in the recent past. Why it was configured and then reversed? Who knows, the sellers ideas are as good as any. This still doesn't make it look any better. There is some speculation by a Forum Member I trust implicitly that the markings might not be what they should be, but even he says it would require some research. In any event, it is horribly disfigured and why anyone would want it is a mystery to me. If anyone out there thinks it has great value please log on and give your opinion as to why. Just curious. I have been asked by more than one person if there is any possible way to restore this holster and I do not believe there is any hope for it as it has too much damage to cover. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-26-2003, 02:01 AM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Guys, This is the holster I had in mind when I asked the questions in my previous thread about "US Test Holster Orientation"... If most or all of the 1,000 Test holsters were made for a right hand carry, in the calvary style (butt forward)...then is a left-handed version documented somewhere ? I noticed "Revshop" was the winner of the holster on e-Bay last time it was for sale... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...7&category=135 Oos...! Missed it during my first reads...this particular holster is speculated to have been "inverted' at some point it time...that is why some of the suede-finish is on the outside and vice versa... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

10-26-2003, 02:48 AM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	I have looked at this holster time and again, trying to convince myself that it is an elaborate fraud. But, I have to agree with Jerry that it is an authentic US Test holster that has been seriously mutilated and probably beyond any recovery efforts for restoration. That is unfortunate, and has reduced its value to a fraction of what its historical importance should merit. It is a real shame, because it is in excellent condition otherwise. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-26-2003, 10:13 AM	#8
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Pardon me for apparently missing something. This holster apparently went to "Revshop" on October 4th for just a hair under $1500! The seller's reserve WAS met! Why is this item up for sale again? I was following the bidding and couldn't believe it went for $1499 with all its problems and questions. Did "Revshop" not carry through with the purchase?

10-26-2003, 04:19 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Pete, Calvary is where Jesus died. Cavalry are horse mounted troops....Probably just a typo.... Herb, Looks like revshop backed out of the deal for some reason. Anyone that would buy this for $1500.00 is a candidate for the looney bin. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-26-2003, 06:59 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Jerry... Thanks for catching my typo...I know better...! Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

10-26-2003, 11:27 PM	#11
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Thanks, Jerry, for the info re Revshop. Also, I lost the Krieghoff holster you bid for earlier on e-bay. Things like that are tough to win.

12-02-2003, 12:23 AM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Back for auction on Auction-Arms...now with a starting price of $ 1,999.00...geez...! http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=5260500 Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />