1906 Dutch

Doug G. · 04-14-2005, 11:11 PM

Wondering what the opinions are on this one since I don't usually go Dutch.

Obviously reworked as I know most were, but seller wants $900 for it. Would probably have Ted refinish it as well.

Ron Wood · 04-14-2005, 11:24 PM

As Dutch Lugers go, that is probably a fair representation. That is what most of them look like and having it refinished isn't going to increase the value. Is it all matching and what is the barrel date? If matching, for $900 it is a pretty good buy. Doesn't look like it has a Dutch magazine, but I can't tell for sure from the photos.

Doug G. · 04-14-2005, 11:34 PM

He said the gun was all matching including the barrel. Said nothing about a date. Said mag was not right. He is apparently selling for a friend. I will call him tomorrow, but want to know what to ask.

Lugerdoc · 04-15-2005, 11:26 AM

Doug, I would definately check to see if the extractor is correctly marked "Geladen" on both sides. TH

Ron Wood · 04-15-2005, 11:42 AM

Good point Tom. I once almost bought a Vickers that had "Geladen" on both sides of the extractor, except the right side was engraved!

Vlim · 04-17-2005, 11:10 AM

Hi,

Non-matching magazine is no problem. Dutch magazines were not matched to the gun and usually totally unnumbered.

The barrel date only appears on arsenal rebarreled/refurbished Dutch lugers. The original, unmodified, barrels retain their normal DWM commercial style numbering (serial number and crown N) or Vickers style proofing.

Not too good finishing is standard for a Dutch luger and I wouldn't mess with it. It's part of the history and totally correct for a Dutch.

The pictures don't seem to display for me. Anything happened to them?

Dwight Gruber · 04-17-2005, 01:16 PM

Gerben,

Right-click where the picture should be, and select "show picture", they should display.

--Dwight

Dwight Gruber · 04-17-2005, 01:20 PM

Doug,

From your picture, the magazine base does not appear to be pinned into place. Is this indeed the case? Does the base have a small spring catch which allows the base to be removed? If so, this mag is an original Dutch magazine, unmodified, a fairly rare and valuable item on its own.

--Dwight

Vlim · 04-17-2005, 05:35 PM

Hi,

FWIW, the Dutch used both the magazine with the spring-catch (bad idea

) and the 'normal' pinned version. Both nickle with wood bottoms.

My 1906 Dutch came with a normal one-pin nickle magazine (unnumbered) and a blued one-pin magazine (unnumbered). Both with wood bottoms.

The pictures show now. And this pistol has a slight problem.
The DWM deliveries went from 1 to 4181 (serial number).
The Vickers from 4182 upwards.

So this one has a serial number in the Vickers range and a DWM toggle. Could well be an arsenal repair. I'd rip it apart and check for G.S. markings everywhere.

04-14-2005, 11:11 PM	#1
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	1906 Dutch Wondering what the opinions are on this one since I don't usually go Dutch. Obviously reworked as I know most were, but seller wants $900 for it. Would probably have Ted refinish it as well.

04-14-2005, 11:24 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	As Dutch Lugers go, that is probably a fair representation. That is what most of them look like and having it refinished isn't going to increase the value. Is it all matching and what is the barrel date? If matching, for $900 it is a pretty good buy. Doesn't look like it has a Dutch magazine, but I can't tell for sure from the photos. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-15-2005, 11:26 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Doug, I would definately check to see if the extractor is correctly marked "Geladen" on both sides. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

04-15-2005, 11:42 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Good point Tom. I once almost bought a Vickers that had "Geladen" on both sides of the extractor, except the right side was engraved! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-14-2005, 11:34 PM	#3
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	He said the gun was all matching including the barrel. Said nothing about a date. Said mag was not right. He is apparently selling for a friend. I will call him tomorrow, but want to know what to ask.

04-17-2005, 11:10 AM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Non-matching magazine is no problem. Dutch magazines were not matched to the gun and usually totally unnumbered. The barrel date only appears on arsenal rebarreled/refurbished Dutch lugers. The original, unmodified, barrels retain their normal DWM commercial style numbering (serial number and crown N) or Vickers style proofing. Not too good finishing is standard for a Dutch luger and I wouldn't mess with it. It's part of the history and totally correct for a Dutch. The pictures don't seem to display for me. Anything happened to them?

04-17-2005, 01:16 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Gerben, Right-click where the picture should be, and select "show picture", they should display. --Dwight

04-17-2005, 01:20 PM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Doug, From your picture, the magazine base does not appear to be pinned into place. Is this indeed the case? Does the base have a small spring catch which allows the base to be removed? If so, this mag is an original Dutch magazine, unmodified, a fairly rare and valuable item on its own. --Dwight

04-17-2005, 05:35 PM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, FWIW, the Dutch used both the magazine with the spring-catch (bad idea ) and the 'normal' pinned version. Both nickle with wood bottoms. My 1906 Dutch came with a normal one-pin nickle magazine (unnumbered) and a blued one-pin magazine (unnumbered). Both with wood bottoms. The pictures show now. And this pistol has a slight problem. The DWM deliveries went from 1 to 4181 (serial number). The Vickers from 4182 upwards. So this one has a serial number in the Vickers range and a DWM toggle. Could well be an arsenal repair. I'd rip it apart and check for G.S. markings everywhere.