need help : JWR logo rework ?

lugerfreund · 04-20-2005, 01:15 PM

found on an 1913 Erfurt luger , swiss cross barrel

auction link

more pics

any idea ?? Thanks

lugerfreund · 04-20-2005, 01:22 PM

close up view

Edward Tinker · 04-20-2005, 06:23 PM

Yes, if it was JRT it'd be my dads initials!

Seriously, it looks familar to me, but I don't have Costanzo to look it up right now. Looks like a commercial stamping, after-market...

maddog350gt · 04-21-2005, 05:55 AM

Lugerfreund and Ed,

I checked my copy of Costanzo and could not find the circle JWR, I could have missed it but I don't think so. Anyone else have any information on this marking?

Thanks,
Bob M.

Lugerdoc · 04-21-2005, 09:36 AM

I would bet that JWR are the initials of a gunsmith/customizer. John Martz usually installs one of his JVM marked center toggle links on his creations. TH

lugerfreund · 04-21-2005, 12:29 PM

Thanks for friendly help.

I have checked the logo by Swiss and GB collectors , but its unknown there.

GB >> BNP proof mark
Swiss >> "swiss cross" proofmark on swiss barrel

It could be a swiss rework. Small numbers has been refinished at swiss arsenals and rebarreled from 9mm to 7,65 (.30 luger) around 1920/25 because no export of german made hand guns to Swiss. Made during the time gap between old DWM contract and later domestic production at WF Bern

The allover condition is very fine , no rust or tool markings under blue finish and all fittings are very tight. It shows very small wear after refinishing , so it has be done many decades ago.

In case of any new informations coming in i will let you know

Thanks @ all !

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lugerfreund New User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	need help : JWR logo rework ? found on an 1913 Erfurt luger , swiss cross barrel auction link more pics any idea ?? Thanks Attached Images

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lugerfreund New User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	close up view Attached Thumbnails

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Yes, if it was JRT it'd be my dads initials! Seriously, it looks familar to me, but I don't have Costanzo to look it up right now. Looks like a commercial stamping, after-market... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-21-2005, 09:36 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I would bet that JWR are the initials of a gunsmith/customizer. John Martz usually installs one of his JVM marked center toggle links on his creations. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

04-21-2005, 05:55 AM	#4
maddog350gt User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Washougal WA Posts: 170 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Lugerfreund and Ed, I checked my copy of Costanzo and could not find the circle JWR, I could have missed it but I don't think so. Anyone else have any information on this marking? Thanks, Bob M.

04-21-2005, 12:29 PM	#6
lugerfreund New User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for friendly help. I have checked the logo by Swiss and GB collectors , but its unknown there. GB >> BNP proof mark Swiss >> "swiss cross" proofmark on swiss barrel It could be a swiss rework. Small numbers has been refinished at swiss arsenals and rebarreled from 9mm to 7,65 (.30 luger) around 1920/25 because no export of german made hand guns to Swiss. Made during the time gap between old DWM contract and later domestic production at WF Bern The allover condition is very fine , no rust or tool markings under blue finish and all fittings are very tight. It shows very small wear after refinishing , so it has be done many decades ago. In case of any new informations coming in i will let you know Thanks @ all !