Hoyt Weathers's 20DWM

Dwight Gruber · 08-19-2005, 01:52 PM

Pictures posted for Hoyt--Part 1

--Dwight

Dwight Gruber · 08-19-2005, 01:57 PM

Pictures posted for Hoyt--Part 2

Dwight Gruber · 08-19-2005, 02:07 PM

Pictures posted for Hoyt--Part 3 (last part)

Dwight Gruber · 08-19-2005, 02:10 PM

Hoyt,

Thanks very much for this extensive, detailed photo study. The multiple-number stampings on some of the parts is cause for serious reflection.

--Dwight

John Sabato · 08-19-2005, 02:33 PM

I beleive that this is a reworked military gun that was eventuallly imported into the USA... The misalignment of the witness marks means the barrel was removed at some point and either replaced or reinstalled... It also looks like the stock lug was ground off at some point. As was any chamber marking... the size and impression of the number stamps seems to be inconsistent.

The gun appears to be improperly assembled in the top photos because the upper assembly is in the rear position... likely that the mainspring hooks have not been engaged before closing the takedown lever...

Once properly assembled, it will be a fine shooter... or if you want to make it pretty, send it off to Ted Green (THOR) for a beauty shop treatment...

Hoyt Weathers · 08-19-2005, 02:55 PM

Dwight,

Thank you so much for down-sizing my pics and putting them into a logical order of sequence. The pictures were shot starting with the little parts and tiny markings and ending with the assembled pistol. I especially appreciate your inverting one image to see the number 81 properly rather than upside down.

You said:

"The multiple-number stampings on some of the parts is cause for serious reflection."

Thank you for that comment, but why does that happen?. I do not understand the relationship of multipe-number stampings and serious reflection. 'Splain that tummy. I thought it was more a matter of the primary light angle [ sunlight on an overcast day ] onto the number stampings and thense the reflected angle into the camera lens. I do agree that the small parts with two or more stampings are not in good focus.
I admit being a beginner on this. I need more practice with focus and to *discard* more unacceptable shots.

TKX again for your tremendous help in getting my pictures onto this Forum.

I am running a Mac G4 and need some freebie download photo software to down size the pics myself. I need to check the Apple site to see what is on offer for MOS Tiger 10.4.2

Hoyt Weathers
Trinity, Alabama

Hoyt Weathers · 08-19-2005, 03:13 PM

To John Sabato:

You are quite correct that the pistol was not assembled properly. There is my starting thread on this matter at:

http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5452

Hoyt Weathers · 08-19-2005, 03:23 PM

To Dwight,

Upon taking a deep breath, I believe I did not understand your intended meaning of:

"The multiple-number stampings on some of the parts is cause for serious reflection."

Originally, I took that as an optical phyics situation and replied in that vein.
Now, I understand your words to mean that those stampings are perhaps fertile ground for the experts to ponder over.

Therefore, disregard part of my previous reply to you above.

Hoyt Weathers

Dwight Gruber · 08-19-2005, 04:43 PM

Hoyt,

Yes, particularly the trigger and breechblock which have two sets of numbers.

The question, ultimately, is, how much of DWM's postwar commercial production was done from newly-produced parts, and how much from recycled or from-the-shelf military parts stock?

The front of the frame with the serial number looks like it has been faced off a bit, like a previous serial number was removed before assembly. It will be interesting to see the same area once the frame and receiver have been properly assembled, to see if the front of the breechblock sticks out a bit from the frame.

It appears that John S's comment about a ground stock lug may be a good one.

--Dwight

Hoyt Weathers · 08-19-2005, 06:56 PM

Dwight, I can take one or more close-ups of the rear of the grip where the stock lug usually is. The blueing is totally gone. As in NONE anywhere. Those pics will probably be in the 64 to 88 KB range, so I should be able to post them myself as images in another message in this thread. They may be posted Saturday or Sunday. Insha'Allah [ God Willing ]. ( I worked in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia for three years after I retired from NASA in Huntsville, Alabama. )

Hoyt Weathers

Hoyt Weathers · 08-21-2005, 07:26 PM

To all:

I am now at the point of trying to get the recoil spring assembly installed. I have two questions:

1. The hook on the upper end of the recoil spring guide bar should *face* which way - toward the muzzle OR toward the rear?

2. How do you guys get the recoil spring assembly *compressed* enough to get her back into the proper position?

At present I am using a small needle-nose pliers and a drill bit small enough in diameter to go through the hole in bottom end of the guide bar.

I have read that this is a [bad wordbad word of a job to get back into proper position. I can now confirm that.

All suggestions on a feasible solution to my present problem will be appreciated.

Regards,
Hoyt Weathers

Hairy · 08-21-2005, 07:47 PM

Take a look at and copy Thor's instructions in the Technical Information Section.

Thor was kind enough to provide explicit instructions on how to replace the mainspring. Following them makes the job easier. I've now been able to replace the guide and mainspring in about 15 minutes. Thank you Thor!

08-19-2005, 01:52 PM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Hoyt Weathers's 20DWM Pictures posted for Hoyt--Part 1 --Dwight

08-19-2005, 02:33 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I beleive that this is a reworked military gun that was eventuallly imported into the USA... The misalignment of the witness marks means the barrel was removed at some point and either replaced or reinstalled... It also looks like the stock lug was ground off at some point. As was any chamber marking... the size and impression of the number stamps seems to be inconsistent. The gun appears to be improperly assembled in the top photos because the upper assembly is in the rear position... likely that the mainspring hooks have not been engaged before closing the takedown lever... Once properly assembled, it will be a fine shooter... or if you want to make it pretty, send it off to Ted Green (THOR) for a beauty shop treatment... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-19-2005, 02:55 PM	#6
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, Thank you so much for down-sizing my pics and putting them into a logical order of sequence. The pictures were shot starting with the little parts and tiny markings and ending with the assembled pistol. I especially appreciate your inverting one image to see the number 81 properly rather than upside down. You said: "The multiple-number stampings on some of the parts is cause for serious reflection." Thank you for that comment, but why does that happen?. I do not understand the relationship of multipe-number stampings and serious reflection. 'Splain that tummy. I thought it was more a matter of the primary light angle [ sunlight on an overcast day ] onto the number stampings and thense the reflected angle into the camera lens. I do agree that the small parts with two or more stampings are not in good focus. I admit being a beginner on this. I need more practice with focus and to discard more unacceptable shots. TKX again for your tremendous help in getting my pictures onto this Forum. I am running a Mac G4 and need some freebie download photo software to down size the pics myself. I need to check the Apple site to see what is on offer for MOS Tiger 10.4.2 Hoyt Weathers Trinity, Alabama __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-19-2005, 03:13 PM	#7
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To John Sabato: You are quite correct that the pistol was not assembled properly. There is my starting thread on this matter at: http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5452 __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-19-2005, 03:23 PM	#8
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To Dwight, Upon taking a deep breath, I believe I did not understand your intended meaning of: "The multiple-number stampings on some of the parts is cause for serious reflection." Originally, I took that as an optical phyics situation and replied in that vein. Now, I understand your words to mean that those stampings are perhaps fertile ground for the experts to ponder over. Therefore, disregard part of my previous reply to you above. Hoyt Weathers __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-19-2005, 01:57 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Pictures posted for Hoyt--Part 2

08-19-2005, 02:07 PM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Pictures posted for Hoyt--Part 3 (last part)

08-19-2005, 02:10 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Hoyt, Thanks very much for this extensive, detailed photo study. The multiple-number stampings on some of the parts is cause for serious reflection. --Dwight

08-19-2005, 04:43 PM	#9
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Hoyt, Yes, particularly the trigger and breechblock which have two sets of numbers. The question, ultimately, is, how much of DWM's postwar commercial production was done from newly-produced parts, and how much from recycled or from-the-shelf military parts stock? The front of the frame with the serial number looks like it has been faced off a bit, like a previous serial number was removed before assembly. It will be interesting to see the same area once the frame and receiver have been properly assembled, to see if the front of the breechblock sticks out a bit from the frame. It appears that John S's comment about a ground stock lug may be a good one. --Dwight

08-19-2005, 06:56 PM	#10
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, I can take one or more close-ups of the rear of the grip where the stock lug usually is. The blueing is totally gone. As in NONE anywhere. Those pics will probably be in the 64 to 88 KB range, so I should be able to post them myself as images in another message in this thread. They may be posted Saturday or Sunday. Insha'Allah [ God Willing ]. ( I worked in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia for three years after I retired from NASA in Huntsville, Alabama. ) Hoyt Weathers __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-21-2005, 07:26 PM	#11
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Almost there To all: I am now at the point of trying to get the recoil spring assembly installed. I have two questions: 1. The hook on the upper end of the recoil spring guide bar should face which way - toward the muzzle OR toward the rear? 2. How do you guys get the recoil spring assembly compressed enough to get her back into the proper position? At present I am using a small needle-nose pliers and a drill bit small enough in diameter to go through the hole in bottom end of the guide bar. I have read that this is a [bad wordbad word of a job to get back into proper position. I can now confirm that. All suggestions on a feasible solution to my present problem will be appreciated. Regards, Hoyt Weathers __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-21-2005, 07:47 PM	#12
Hairy User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hudson, FL Posts: 120 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Take a look at and copy Thor's instructions in the Technical Information Section. Thor was kind enough to provide explicit instructions on how to replace the mainspring. Following them makes the job easier. I've now been able to replace the guide and mainspring in about 15 minutes. Thank you Thor!