Tulsa Gun Show...

Pete Ebbink · 10-21-2005, 02:03 PM

Looking forward to member's reports about the BIG Tulsa gun show this weekend...and hopefully some great photos...!

drbuster · 10-31-2005, 12:58 AM

What!!! Not one Forum member with a digital camera went to the Tulsa show? Maybe the rumor of the hard floor taking its toll on the feet is scaring members away!

Ron Wood · 10-31-2005, 01:57 AM

I took a couple of shots of John Eckert's display to include a close up of the 1902 Presentation Carbine. Not real pleased with the pics but Warren Buxton took some studio shots of the carbine that I hope to get copies of. Here is the carbine picture I took. The gun is breathtaking. Has to be one of the top 10 collectable Lugers in existance.

drbuster · 10-31-2005, 10:01 AM

Wow!! Thanks for posting the photo, Ron! Isn't this a 1900 carbine? The same one as pictured in Kenyon's Luger, The Multinational Pistol, pages 54-57?

Dwight Gruber · 10-31-2005, 11:08 AM

Note the position of the rear sight and the pushbutton stock attachment.

--Dwight

Ron Wood · 10-31-2005, 01:00 PM

It is a 5-position tangent or "ski-slope" rear sight. On the rear sight, the small depression in front of the sight blade is gold filled! Unlike the smooth pushbutton of the flat board 7" Luger stocks, the presentation carbune stock pushbutton is checkered. Note also that the stock iron is of the early single-screw type. The serial number of the gun is 77.

Dwight Gruber · 10-31-2005, 01:49 PM

Ron,

Is that 77 in a reserved range, or is it a standard Commercial number??

--Dwight

Ron Wood · 10-31-2005, 02:44 PM

Herb,
I really don't know how to date these carbines. It is not the same one that is in Kenyon's TMP (#58), and the barrel configuration is much more like the standard 1902 Carbine. Since it was presented in September of 1902 I think it is safe to call it a 1902 Presentation Carbine.

Dwight,
I think it is not a standard commercial number, the commercial serial number range would be much higher when this piece was presented. It probably is a reserved range, most likely for early tangent sight and presentation pieces.

mauro · 10-31-2005, 03:40 PM

Hi Ron,
What a superb item!!!
I guess the rear sight similar to this one:

Ciao
Mauro

Pete Ebbink · 11-01-2005, 12:05 PM

Ron,

Is the stylized chamber marking an "O S " ?

Ron Wood · 11-01-2005, 12:17 PM

Pete,
Yes it is, and of course it represents Ormond Smith as you undoubtedly deduced from the photo. I apologize for not having more detailed photos of the carbine, but I will try to acquire some as soon as I can.

10-21-2005, 02:03 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Tulsa Gun Show... Looking forward to member's reports about the BIG Tulsa gun show this weekend...and hopefully some great photos...!

10-31-2005, 01:57 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	I took a couple of shots of John Eckert's display to include a close up of the 1902 Presentation Carbine. Not real pleased with the pics but Warren Buxton took some studio shots of the carbine that I hope to get copies of. Here is the carbine picture I took. The gun is breathtaking. Has to be one of the top 10 collectable Lugers in existance. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-31-2005, 01:00 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	It is a 5-position tangent or "ski-slope" rear sight. On the rear sight, the small depression in front of the sight blade is gold filled! Unlike the smooth pushbutton of the flat board 7" Luger stocks, the presentation carbune stock pushbutton is checkered. Note also that the stock iron is of the early single-screw type. The serial number of the gun is 77. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-31-2005, 02:44 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Herb, I really don't know how to date these carbines. It is not the same one that is in Kenyon's TMP (#58), and the barrel configuration is much more like the standard 1902 Carbine. Since it was presented in September of 1902 I think it is safe to call it a 1902 Presentation Carbine. Dwight, I think it is not a standard commercial number, the commercial serial number range would be much higher when this piece was presented. It probably is a reserved range, most likely for early tangent sight and presentation pieces. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-31-2005, 03:40 PM	#9
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hi Ron, What a superb item!!! I guess the rear sight similar to this one: Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

10-31-2005, 12:58 AM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	What!!! Not one Forum member with a digital camera went to the Tulsa show? Maybe the rumor of the hard floor taking its toll on the feet is scaring members away!

10-31-2005, 10:01 AM	#4
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Wow!! Thanks for posting the photo, Ron! Isn't this a 1900 carbine? The same one as pictured in Kenyon's Luger, The Multinational Pistol, pages 54-57?

10-31-2005, 11:08 AM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Note the position of the rear sight and the pushbutton stock attachment. --Dwight

10-31-2005, 01:49 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Ron, Is that 77 in a reserved range, or is it a standard Commercial number?? --Dwight

11-01-2005, 12:05 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ron, Is the stylized chamber marking an "O S " ?

11-01-2005, 12:17 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Pete, Yes it is, and of course it represents Ormond Smith as you undoubtedly deduced from the photo. I apologize for not having more detailed photos of the carbine, but I will try to acquire some as soon as I can. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction