Here is the US&S I just acquired..

John Holbrook · 11-20-2004, 09:58 PM

And the spiral milled barrel bushing that seem to be common to the US&S pistols..

John D. · 11-21-2004, 10:45 AM

Absolutely - FANTASTIC John! My thanks! Were the spirial busings throughout production of the US&S - or only found in a certain range? Also - looking at the maching of the end of the slide, especially the one on the right - there also seems to be a maching pattern?

John - again - fantastic photos and presentation!!

My thanks!

John

kidvett · 11-21-2004, 11:53 AM

WOW !!

John, where do you find those incredible military pistols ??

These have dissapeared long ago from our ``small limited market`` here in Canada.............

Congratulations on a VERY nice pistol........

MARK <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

John Holbrook · 11-21-2004, 02:03 PM

Out of a total production of 55,000 pistols, I have only examined maybe 1,000 US&S pistols. Most of the ones that I was sure were original, had the spiral cut bushing. I believe that the rough bushings were supplied by a contractor and that US&S did the final machineing.

The only thing that I know for sure is, nothing is for sure!!!!!!!

John Holbrook · 11-21-2004, 02:11 PM

Here are the only two US&S M1911A1's I own at the moment, however they come and they go. Nobody has more fun than ME!!!

Daniel · 11-21-2004, 06:40 PM

John, What can you tell me about my US&S Model 1911A ? The serial # is 1870264 and the barrel bushing is not spirial marked. I aquired this through the DCM Program years ago and was disappointed is was not a Colt.

John Holbrook · 11-21-2004, 07:43 PM

Daniel, the US&S serial numbers were 1041405-1096404. Your serial number indicates the frame was from an Ithaca. Look on the left side behind the trigger opening and just under the slide stop. There will be an "FJA" stamp. All US&S pistols were stamped with an "RCD" in a circle.

John Sabato · 11-22-2004, 12:41 PM

John H,

What do you think a US&S slide is worth in about 50% condition? My uncle has a .45 he keeps for house protection that I built for him back in the 70's on an Essex frame... I am sure he would trade it to me for a reasonable GI or commercial slide of any manufacture......

Motown · 11-26-2004, 07:13 AM

I love the .45s... how about a rough value of each to cage my gyro? On my 'wish list' is a WW II 'US property' .45... along w/a few others.

Thanks.

Edward Tinker · 11-26-2004, 01:05 PM

John, I have a Remington Rand slide, I'd swap him, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Ed

Bill Cullen · 01-07-2005, 11:21 PM

I live only a few miles from the US&S factory, and had a job interview there when I got out of college. Sadly the US&S Swissvale plant is now a strip mall.

11-20-2004, 09:58 PM	#1
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here is the US&S I just acquired.. And the spiral milled barrel bushing that seem to be common to the US&S pistols.. __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

11-21-2004, 02:03 PM	#4
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Out of a total production of 55,000 pistols, I have only examined maybe 1,000 US&S pistols. Most of the ones that I was sure were original, had the spiral cut bushing. I believe that the rough bushings were supplied by a contractor and that US&S did the final machineing. The only thing that I know for sure is, nothing is for sure!!!!!!! __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

11-21-2004, 02:11 PM	#5
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here are the only two US&S M1911A1's I own at the moment, however they come and they go. Nobody has more fun than ME!!! __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

11-21-2004, 07:43 PM	#7
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Daniel, the US&S serial numbers were 1041405-1096404. Your serial number indicates the frame was from an Ithaca. Look on the left side behind the trigger opening and just under the slide stop. There will be an "FJA" stamp. All US&S pistols were stamped with an "RCD" in a circle. __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

11-22-2004, 12:41 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	John H, What do you think a US&S slide is worth in about 50% condition? My uncle has a .45 he keeps for house protection that I built for him back in the 70's on an Essex frame... I am sure he would trade it to me for a reasonable GI or commercial slide of any manufacture...... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-21-2004, 10:45 AM	#2
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Absolutely - FANTASTIC John! My thanks! Were the spirial busings throughout production of the US&S - or only found in a certain range? Also - looking at the maching of the end of the slide, especially the one on the right - there also seems to be a maching pattern? John - again - fantastic photos and presentation!! My thanks! John

11-21-2004, 11:53 AM	#3
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	WOW !! John, where do you find those incredible military pistols ?? These have dissapeared long ago from our ``small limited market`` here in Canada............. Congratulations on a VERY nice pistol........ MARK <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

11-21-2004, 06:40 PM	#6
Daniel User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ct. and Ma. Posts: 152 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John, What can you tell me about my US&S Model 1911A ? The serial # is 1870264 and the barrel bushing is not spirial marked. I aquired this through the DCM Program years ago and was disappointed is was not a Colt.

11-26-2004, 07:13 AM	#9
Motown User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Double Oak, TX Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I love the .45s... how about a rough value of each to cage my gyro? On my 'wish list' is a WW II 'US property' .45... along w/a few others. Thanks. __________________ "Avoid excessive sharpness or harshness of voice, which usually indicates the man who has shortcomings of his own to hide." --Field Marshall Erwin Rommel

11-26-2004, 01:05 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	John, I have a Remington Rand slide, I'd swap him, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-07-2005, 11:21 PM	#11
Bill Cullen User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I live only a few miles from the US&S factory, and had a job interview there when I got out of college. Sadly the US&S Swissvale plant is now a strip mall.