Worth the money?

c3006 · 09-17-2005, 09:41 PM

I think I am falling in love with this pistol on gunbroker,is it worth the money
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=37278116

Pete Ebbink · 09-17-2005, 10:03 PM

Clint,

This one has been on the Internet for nearly a year or so. If I remember one time, it had a buy-it-now price of nearly $ 9K...

The holster and belt is not Dutch but Bulgarian...not worth more than $ 125 or so...

The capture paper might be bogus...would have to see it in person. But how does a gun that is in the East Indies get captured in the European TO...???

The folks at Simpson's have a nice looking Dutch luger for sale...asking is $ 2950...but asking is usually only that...I would ask if the barrel is original DWM or Indonesian GS armory replaced.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=2218

c3006 · 09-17-2005, 10:22 PM

Ive really got the fever to get a good luger and Im glad I have this site to guide me, Ive got a nice 1870 Remington rolling block Im gonna sell and turn into a luger. Those capture papers had me really licking my chops. I sent a donation in by paypal but its the first time Ive used it. How do I know if I done it right? Thanks clint

wterrell · 09-17-2005, 10:55 PM

c3006, can you post pics of the Remington?

c3006 · 09-17-2005, 11:13 PM

I have it for sale over on the SASS Wire. here is the link I hope.
http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17014

George Anderson · 09-18-2005, 12:36 AM

Ask this jerk to show you the complete "capture paper", it may well be a European "bring-back" just as well as a Pacific "bring back", either one would be interesting. The approving officer's signature block will include unit information. With that info you can do some internet research to determine where this unit might have been in 1945.

If all seems right, the price is good and he offers three day inspection, go for it and report back.

G.W. Gill · 09-18-2005, 03:10 AM

Rolling block is cool. Many Lugers out there. Let the fever subside and bide your time. Even if you are not into RB's anymore, the investment potential is great over the next 20 years.

Vlim · 09-18-2005, 08:51 AM

Hi,

Yes, this pistol has been discussed before, both here and on Jan Still's forum. The guy initially only had the pistol and the capture papers (I remember the leitz projector). He later collected the holster. As the pistol was taken from a German, it's not unlikely that the German himself obtained it in the Netherlands. This is a Dutch NAVY pistol and not a Dutch KNIL pistol. Navy had boats, KNIL had islands

c3006 · 09-18-2005, 09:38 AM

G.W.
I am sure your right as I have had the fever before! I have never been into RBs and just picked this on up in a trade a few years ago. I may contact this guy as George suggests and see if I can get enough info from him to justify bidding. Thanks for all the help from all. clint

Edward Tinker · 09-18-2005, 11:39 AM

Clint, good advice above. Maybe I am not awake, but what the #$%^ is a RB ??

Ed

crc · 09-18-2005, 01:20 PM

rolling block. good morning Ed.

Edward Tinker · 09-18-2005, 02:15 PM

ahhhh, cool guns, didn't know they were so expensive.

Ed

c3006 · 09-18-2005, 02:22 PM

I guess Ive sold it so I will be getting in touch with the guy on GB Thanks clint

lugerholsterrepair · 09-18-2005, 07:59 PM

Clint, I have one of these Remington rolling blocks as well...Does yours have a Navy type anchor over the top of the barrel? Thanks, Jerry Burney

c3006 · 09-18-2005, 08:32 PM

Yes jerry it has an I then below that an H.E then the ancor. Do you have pcs of yours? Thanks clint

Hugh · 09-18-2005, 09:36 PM

Somewhere I read a discussion of the "navy anchor" mark on Remington mdl. 51 pistols. Many people are under the false impression that this is a US Navy ordance mark. Actually it is only a Remington proof or inspection mark.
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G.W. Gill · 09-19-2005, 02:09 AM

I am sticking with my 20 yr. investement projection. Gill

c3006 · 09-20-2005, 10:58 PM

Cant get this guy to answer my e mails about this pistol, no wonder its been runing so long on GB

G.W. Gill · 09-21-2005, 01:35 AM

Sit on it for a few years. $$$ Enough.

09-17-2005, 09:41 PM	#1
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Worth the money? I think I am falling in love with this pistol on gunbroker,is it worth the money http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=37278116 __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-17-2005, 10:22 PM	#3
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Ive really got the fever to get a good luger and Im glad I have this site to guide me, Ive got a nice 1870 Remington rolling block Im gonna sell and turn into a luger. Those capture papers had me really licking my chops. I sent a donation in by paypal but its the first time Ive used it. How do I know if I done it right? Thanks clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-17-2005, 10:55 PM	#4
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	c3006, can you post pics of the Remington? __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

09-17-2005, 11:13 PM	#5
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	I have it for sale over on the SASS Wire. here is the link I hope. http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17014 __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-18-2005, 03:10 AM	#7
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rolling block for Luger? Rolling block is cool. Many Lugers out there. Let the fever subside and bide your time. Even if you are not into RB's anymore, the investment potential is great over the next 20 years.

09-17-2005, 10:03 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Clint, This one has been on the Internet for nearly a year or so. If I remember one time, it had a buy-it-now price of nearly $ 9K... The holster and belt is not Dutch but Bulgarian...not worth more than $ 125 or so... The capture paper might be bogus...would have to see it in person. But how does a gun that is in the East Indies get captured in the European TO...??? The folks at Simpson's have a nice looking Dutch luger for sale...asking is $ 2950...but asking is usually only that...I would ask if the barrel is original DWM or Indonesian GS armory replaced. http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=2218

09-18-2005, 12:36 AM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Ask this jerk to show you the complete "capture paper", it may well be a European "bring-back" just as well as a Pacific "bring back", either one would be interesting. The approving officer's signature block will include unit information. With that info you can do some internet research to determine where this unit might have been in 1945. If all seems right, the price is good and he offers three day inspection, go for it and report back.

09-18-2005, 08:51 AM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Yes, this pistol has been discussed before, both here and on Jan Still's forum. The guy initially only had the pistol and the capture papers (I remember the leitz projector). He later collected the holster. As the pistol was taken from a German, it's not unlikely that the German himself obtained it in the Netherlands. This is a Dutch NAVY pistol and not a Dutch KNIL pistol. Navy had boats, KNIL had islands

09-18-2005, 09:38 AM	#9
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	G.W. I am sure your right as I have had the fever before! I have never been into RBs and just picked this on up in a trade a few years ago. I may contact this guy as George suggests and see if I can get enough info from him to justify bidding. Thanks for all the help from all. clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-18-2005, 11:39 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Clint, good advice above. Maybe I am not awake, but what the #$%^ is a RB ?? Ed

09-18-2005, 01:20 PM	#11
crc User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: colorado Posts: 66 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	rolling block. good morning Ed.

09-18-2005, 02:15 PM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	ahhhh, cool guns, didn't know they were so expensive. Ed

09-18-2005, 02:22 PM	#13
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	I guess Ive sold it so I will be getting in touch with the guy on GB Thanks clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-18-2005, 07:59 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Clint, I have one of these Remington rolling blocks as well...Does yours have a Navy type anchor over the top of the barrel? Thanks, Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-18-2005, 08:32 PM	#15
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Yes jerry it has an I then below that an H.E then the ancor. Do you have pcs of yours? Thanks clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-18-2005, 09:36 PM	#16
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Somewhere I read a discussion of the "navy anchor" mark on Remington mdl. 51 pistols. Many people are under the false impression that this is a US Navy ordance mark. Actually it is only a Remington proof or inspection mark. :icon107: __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

09-19-2005, 02:09 AM	#17
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am sticking with my 20 yr. investement projection. Gill

09-20-2005, 10:58 PM	#18
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Cant get this guy to answer my e mails about this pistol, no wonder its been runing so long on GB __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-21-2005, 01:35 AM	#19
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sit on it for a few years. $$$ Enough.