Help evaling a 1936/42

JimD · 09-27-2005, 12:38 AM

I'm possibly working a trade on a 1936/42 that seems to have at least a non-matching side plate. The fellow who owns it is in another state and sent me the following so-so photos. He describes Waffen Ampts and says there is very small lettering on the underside of the barrel that reads, c.i.a. s1 alb. I'm assuming that is an importer mark. He says the magazine is matching. Based on these photos and what I've described would anyone be willing to venture a ballpark value? He says he thinks the finish is original. Before I would commit to anything I'd ask to examine the gun.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/samluger1.jpg
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RockinWR · 09-27-2005, 01:38 AM

Jim,
* An imported reblued non-matching P.08.
* Reblued: Doubtful this is the original Mauser RUST BLUED finish. Looks Salt blued. The small parts do not show the original straw finish; but, are instead blue in color. Safety, trigger, takedown latch, ejector, & mag release were all strawed on 1936 Mauser Militaries.
* The toggle code of "42" is from a 1939-1940 vintage Luger. The correct toggle code for a 1936 Mauser is "S/42".
* No pictures of the magazine; but, I would be highly suspicious & very wary. Large size/ different font numbers on the mag bottom from what is seen on the pistol would indicate a scrubbed/re-numbered mag. Depending on the letter suffix of the pistol, the tube could either be "in the white" or blue with an aluminum, side pinned base plug. Should have a droop winged eagle over 63 (dE/63) acceptance on the base plug. Generally, blue tubed after the "m" block.
* The above, coupled with the reported mismatch numbered side plate and Century Arms, St Albin, Vt. Importer's mark has eliminated this example from a collector's standpoint.
* As a "shooter", the market is about $525 +/- $75 for the pistol only. With the well worn/bruised/damaged grips, I'd lean toward the lower side of this $ range if I was to make an offer (which I'm not) IMHO.
* Trust this helps.
Respectfully,
Bob

JimD · 09-27-2005, 02:10 AM

Thanks. A deadly honest, more informed opinion than I, is what I was looking for.

Johnny C. Kitchens · 09-28-2005, 02:27 AM

Did they use rust blue that late in the game on the Luger anyway???

Vlim · 09-28-2005, 07:07 AM

Hi Johnny. Mauser did until 1937.

Frank · 09-28-2005, 10:12 AM

Gerben, actually until about April or May 1937.

09-27-2005, 12:38 AM	#1
JimD User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Help evaling a 1936/42 I'm possibly working a trade on a 1936/42 that seems to have at least a non-matching side plate. The fellow who owns it is in another state and sent me the following so-so photos. He describes Waffen Ampts and says there is very small lettering on the underside of the barrel that reads, c.i.a. s1 alb. I'm assuming that is an importer mark. He says the magazine is matching. Based on these photos and what I've described would anyone be willing to venture a ballpark value? He says he thinks the finish is original. Before I would commit to anything I'd ask to examine the gun. http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/samluger1.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/samluger2.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/samluger3.jpg __________________ "Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy".

09-27-2005, 02:10 AM	#3
JimD User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks. A deadly honest, more informed opinion than I, is what I was looking for. __________________ "Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy".

09-28-2005, 02:27 AM	#4
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Did they use rust blue that late in the game on the Luger anyway??? __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

09-27-2005, 01:38 AM	#2
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Jim, * An imported reblued non-matching P.08. * Reblued: Doubtful this is the original Mauser RUST BLUED finish. Looks Salt blued. The small parts do not show the original straw finish; but, are instead blue in color. Safety, trigger, takedown latch, ejector, & mag release were all strawed on 1936 Mauser Militaries. * The toggle code of "42" is from a 1939-1940 vintage Luger. The correct toggle code for a 1936 Mauser is "S/42". * No pictures of the magazine; but, I would be highly suspicious & very wary. Large size/ different font numbers on the mag bottom from what is seen on the pistol would indicate a scrubbed/re-numbered mag. Depending on the letter suffix of the pistol, the tube could either be "in the white" or blue with an aluminum, side pinned base plug. Should have a droop winged eagle over 63 (dE/63) acceptance on the base plug. Generally, blue tubed after the "m" block. * The above, coupled with the reported mismatch numbered side plate and Century Arms, St Albin, Vt. Importer's mark has eliminated this example from a collector's standpoint. * As a "shooter", the market is about $525 +/- $75 for the pistol only. With the well worn/bruised/damaged grips, I'd lean toward the lower side of this $ range if I was to make an offer (which I'm not) IMHO. * Trust this helps. Respectfully, Bob

09-28-2005, 07:07 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi Johnny. Mauser did until 1937.

09-28-2005, 10:12 AM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Gerben, actually until about April or May 1937.