AIG Luger video?

[Shark]

I am new to collecting Lugers and ran across this AIG video on Lugers:

http://www.booktrail.com/Video_Shooting/AGILuger.asp

Is the video any good? A recent advertisement on Ebay for this video indicated it demonstrated how to break one down, something I'd like to see before doing it myself for the first time. Are there better videos out there? Thanks!

[Edward Tinker]

I have not seen this video myself, but several new members tried it and thought it ok to get.

see this thread:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ighlight=video

That said, see if Chris still has these video's he made;

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ighlight=video

[John Sabato]

All of Chris' videos on disassembly and reassembly of the Luger will soon be posted for viewing and/or download... I am working on an appropriate webpage for that purpose... I will make an announcement when the page and video's are ready...

[shadow]

I did purchase the AIG Luger video and believe that it is worth every penny. The instructor discusses the history of the gun, the theory of operation using a cut away Luger, common problems, and also shows how to completely dissemble the gun, and discusses the function and intricacies of every part as it comes off the gun. I bought this video after reading what I could find on this forum along with an excellent book "Luger Mechanical Features". As predicted I did only watch the AGI video once or twice then put it in the closet. Seeing a video with someone actually manipulating the parts did give me the confidence to fully dissemble my first Luger the day that I took it home.

Ed just struck on something. In January I buy an AGI Luger Armorerâ??s video and in August through October I make 13 short Luger videos and give them to this forum (for free).

My first video was made when responding to a mainspring install thread. I wanted to show how well the mainspring tool worked. I figured no one would believe that a mainspring could be removed and reinstalled in about a minute without cursing or blood so I pulled out my cell phone camera, used a roll of paper towels as a tripod and filmed the tool in use. John Sabato asked for a copy of the video for this forum. Since there was interest in the video I decided to make a better quality video using a camcorder. When I re-made the spring tool video I also made a field strip video which I also thought would come in handy for this forum. This lead to a round of e-mails with John Sabato on what videos would be good for this forum. After exchanging ideas on what video should be made, I made them. After they were completed I gave them to the Lugerforum (for free).

I havenâ??t watched the AGI video since February, but after reading Edâ??s comment I decided to watch it again tonight to compare with my videos. I made a total of 13 short videos. Of the 13 videos 5 contain content not covered at all in the AGI video. The AGI course is an Armorerâ??s course on the Luger. It contains detailed information on every aspect of the gun, and has detailed explanation of the function of every part of the gun as it is taken apart. My videos were made for my own Luger education and I only show how I put the parts together with no explanation on how they function. All of the general steps followed in both the AGI videos and my videos are listed in the disassembly page of this forum and in other publications.


I have listed the videos in the order that they were made and will comment on each and compare it to what was shown on the AGI course.

1.Mainspring tool (Not covered in AGI Video) The instructor used a method similar to Thorâ??s and all you saw was the back of the instructorâ??s hand.

2. Fieldstrip. They do show a detail strip so some of the general steps are the same.

3. Reassemble from fieldstrip (this was originally part of the fieldstrip video but I separated it into a second video so it would fit onto the drop shots website.)

4. Safety removal and install. We both knock out the pin, lift out the safety lever, then remove the safety sear. This is the only way to remove a safety from a Luger so it could not be shown any other way. After viewing both, I believe that my camera angles are much better, but the instructorâ??s explanation on how things work is much better. In the AGI course the function of every part is explained in detail as it is disassembled. I show what pieces go where and in what order.

5. Grip removal and installation. I spend just under two minutes showing how to remove the grips without buggering the screws or getting a million dollar chip. In the AGI video the instructor does not address this at all and simply removes the screw (with a wrong size screwdriver) and pops off the grips by putting the screwdriver in the magwell. The grips are also installed just as quickly. Total time spent on grips about 10 to 20 seconds.

6. Detail strip lower. Again only one way to take these parts in and out, so the content would be similar. (See A - D below for details.)

a. Takedown lever. When the lever is being installed all you see is the back of the instructorâ??s hand. I actually show the part going in.

b. Trigger. Again similar, but IMHO my camera angle is much better and the AGI instructor give a detailed explination of how the parts were made and how they function together.

c. Magazine release. When it is being installed all you see is the back of the instructorâ??s hand. I actually show the part going in.

d. Hold open. When it is being installed all you see is the back of the instructorâ??s hand. I actually show the part going in.

7. Lower striker for storage (not covered in AGI)

8. Extractor removal. There is only one way to do this so they are similar by default.

9. Takedown tool use (not covered in AGI Video)

10. Side plate disassembly There is only one way to do this so they are similar by default. On my video I actually have to pry the trigger lever pin up. On the AGI video they show that you just lift the pin and slide it out. They do not show how to reassemble it. They only show that the trigger lever pin should be down.

11. Detail strip upper (trigger bar, ejector) There is only one way to do this so it is similar by default. The techniques that I use to remove and install these parts are different.

12. Holdopen spring replacement (not covered in AGI Video)

13. How to install a 10% over spring in MecGar magazine. (not covered in AGI Video)

In September I gave the videos(for free) to the Lugerform to do with as they please, so I donâ??t own the videos the Lugerforum does. If John S or John D believe that there is an issue I will be more than glad to discuss it with them. If they want, I can send a copy to AGI for them to review before John puts the videos on the forum. [John S, If you want me to send a copy to AGI just say so. When I send the videos and I will include a spring tool for the instructor (Mr. Dunlap) so he does not have to curse anymore when installing luger mainsprings.]


I donâ??t know copyright laws, but I am pretty sure that AGI does not have exclusive rights on making videos on how to detail strip a gun. I have never seen the AGI videos for my 1911, 1100, Mark II, or my Super Blackhawk. But I would be more than able to make videos on how to detail strip them. If anyone is interested let me know and I will start filming!

I also have a Euroarms black powder revolver that is badly in need of bluing. I was thinking about filming that process as well. Maby I should straw some of the parts and film that too.

Blue Skies!!!!!

Chris

[Edward Tinker]

Chris, you have your own video copyright, as you made these with your own gun. You have just shared your video's with others. That is what this forum is about and I thank you.

Ed

[Shark]

Chris,

Thank you for your efforts with the video. I can't wait to see it. As a newby to Lugers those will be most invaluable so I will know what I am doing. I broke down and cleaned every part of my P-38 when purchased several years ago-nothing more frustrating than spending hours tracking down an unexpected popped spring in the carpet!

[shadow]

Ed,

I apologize if it seems that I overreacted, but I was not sure if it could be misconstrued that I copied the AGI videos. So I wanted to clear the air on exactly how these videos came to be, and to highlight the differences between the AGI Armorer's course and my videos.

I considered making these videos as part of my Luger education, because I learn best from doing. There are several other Luger videos that I wanted to make but I did not want to take my Luger down any further than I did. These include a Toggle disassembly, disconnector disassembly, barrel removal, and front sight removal. If I find junk parts I will make these videos.

I do have two other Ideas that I eventually plan to pursue. The first is to document all of the various failure modes that are identified on the forum, along with the recommended solutions. I will document the rate of each complaint, recommended test to determine the problem and how to fix the problem once it is identified. I plan to include allot of photos and graphics.

The second Idea which is still part of the first is to develop animated Luger graphic like the one on the cover of the Luger forum that show exactly how each failure occurs. So the graphic would be the same but the gun would jam.

Shark,

Most of the videos can be found at http://www.dropshots.com/dumontc
The rest were too big to fit in the drop box and will be posted by John.



Thanks,

Chris