GOUV.KIAU Navy

luger11 · 12-11-2006, 05:55 PM

I am seeking the where abouts of 1906 Navy serial number 3305 with the grip strap mark GOUV.KIAU 278 and 1906 Navy serial number 3305a with the grip strap number 276.

Any information is appreciated.

[email protected]

Leo

davidkachel · 12-11-2006, 07:18 PM

Uh oh! That doesn't sound good.
I take it they sprouted little legs and wandered off?

Pete Ebbink · 12-11-2006, 08:18 PM

Nah...Leo just owns so many...he looses track of them all...

John Sabato · 12-11-2006, 08:21 PM

While what you have imagined, may indeed be what has happened, it may also be that a known example of particular Navy models may have changed hands between collectors and the current whereabouts may not be known. Those that are very serious Navy Luger collectors, like Leo, often maintain databases of known examples of rare guns and may just want to update his records... Leo is one of three collectors known within the Luger collecting fraternity as the "Navy Luger Cabal"... when he speaks on the subject, as with the other two guys, everybody listens...

Sorry I couldn't help out Leo... are these guns truely 'missing' or you just trying to track them down for the record? (If the reason is private, just drop me a PM)

luger11 · 12-11-2006, 09:13 PM

Hi John..you are correct, I am upgrading my data base and I have both of these two guns listed. I believe they are one and the same...just not sure which one is correct.

Leo

Jan C Still · 12-11-2006, 10:37 PM

Leo
I have serial number 3305a recorded as:
1906 Navy, 3305a, GOUV. KIAU. 278 & O.M.D.2.6., -(Gouvernment Kiautschou Waffe Nr. 278; & Ostasiatisches Marinedetachement)
Jan

luger11 · 12-12-2006, 12:09 AM

Hi Jan and thank you for taking the time to respond to my dilemma. In corresponding with another collector overseas we both have 3305 GOUV.KIAU 278 O.M.D.2.6 and 3305a GOUV.KIAU. 278 O.M.D.2.6 listed as the same piece.
On your original list you had seven of these pieces listed. Then number 3386 GOUV.KIAU 4 surfaced along with 3305 GOUV.KIAU.278 and 2797 GOUV. KIAU with an unknown weapon number.
For the time being I will continue to keep them both listed with a question mark on the "a suffix"
Do you have any info on the weapon number of 2797 ?

Regards

Leo

phoenix · 12-15-2006, 06:23 PM

Leo - thank you for your help. Gentlemen - I am updating my Gouv Kiau list. So far this is what I have. Please let me have your comments in respect of spaces marked with a "?"

Steve
[email protected]

Serial Backstrap Left Verified
No. stamp stamp

2280 GOUV. KIAU. 87 4.36 yes
2797 GOUV. KIAU. ? pending - exists? property no?
3004 GOUV. KIAU. 161 5.93 yes
3386 GOUV. KIAU. 4 yes
3471 GOUV. KIAU. 31 yes
3981 GOUV. KIAU. 245 yes
4667 GOUV. KIAU. 149 4.83 yes
4890 GOUV. KIAU. 82 pending - probably OK
2271a GOUV. KIAU. ? yes - property no?
3173a GOUV. KIAU. 8 yes
3305a GOUV. KIAU. 278 O.M.D. 2.6. yes

Has anyone ever heard of GOUV. KIAU. 246 and GOUV. KIAU. 593 ?

Heinz · 12-16-2006, 09:09 AM

Could 593 be a typo of 3004'S "5.93"?

Also, I have Gouv Kia 3005a recorded the same as Jan Still above but also noted it is a first issue safety in unaltered condition. I think my information came off this site.

phoenix · 12-17-2006, 07:21 AM

Quite probably! Is it '3005a' or '3050a'?

Steve

Heinz · 12-17-2006, 06:57 PM

Sorry for the typo

I have:
3305a Gouv Kiau 276 O.M.D. 2.6 upper case "Gesichert" 1st Issue unaltered

Send me your email address and I will gladly sent you my table.

luger11 · 12-17-2006, 07:29 PM

Hello Heinz.......Thank you for your interest. I am sure we will solve this problem soon. There are several people that are showing interest in what I do believe is a "typo error" and sooner or later we will know the answer.
My email address is
[email protected]

Leo

Heinz · 12-17-2006, 08:08 PM

This email from JohnF on the forum mentions 3305a. It is from 2003. At one point he gave me the rest of the information that I posted. I cannot remember if I had photos of it but I had a computer crash between then and now.
"Am I right in thinking that my P.06 unaltered Luger S/N 3305a would have been made in 1906 or was it made before then?
Still's Imperial Lugers mentioned that the first 8000 pistols were to have been delivered before May 1906 but that's all I've been able to find.
Any help would be appreciated." (JohnF who was a member in England)

12-11-2006, 05:55 PM	#1
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	GOUV.KIAU Navy I am seeking the where abouts of 1906 Navy serial number 3305 with the grip strap mark GOUV.KIAU 278 and 1906 Navy serial number 3305a with the grip strap number 276. Any information is appreciated. [email protected] Leo

12-11-2006, 07:18 PM	#2
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Uh oh! That doesn't sound good. I take it they sprouted little legs and wandered off? __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

12-11-2006, 08:21 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	While what you have imagined, may indeed be what has happened, it may also be that a known example of particular Navy models may have changed hands between collectors and the current whereabouts may not be known. Those that are very serious Navy Luger collectors, like Leo, often maintain databases of known examples of rare guns and may just want to update his records... Leo is one of three collectors known within the Luger collecting fraternity as the "Navy Luger Cabal"... when he speaks on the subject, as with the other two guys, everybody listens... Sorry I couldn't help out Leo... are these guns truely 'missing' or you just trying to track them down for the record? (If the reason is private, just drop me a PM) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-15-2006, 06:23 PM	#8
phoenix User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Leo - thank you for your help. Gentlemen - I am updating my Gouv Kiau list. So far this is what I have. Please let me have your comments in respect of spaces marked with a "?" Steve [email protected] Serial Backstrap Left Verified No. stamp stamp 2280 GOUV. KIAU. 87 4.36 yes 2797 GOUV. KIAU. ? pending - exists? property no? 3004 GOUV. KIAU. 161 5.93 yes 3386 GOUV. KIAU. 4 yes 3471 GOUV. KIAU. 31 yes 3981 GOUV. KIAU. 245 yes 4667 GOUV. KIAU. 149 4.83 yes 4890 GOUV. KIAU. 82 pending - probably OK 2271a GOUV. KIAU. ? yes - property no? 3173a GOUV. KIAU. 8 yes 3305a GOUV. KIAU. 278 O.M.D. 2.6. yes Has anyone ever heard of GOUV. KIAU. 246 and GOUV. KIAU. 593 ? __________________ Stephen A. Petroni www.fesac.eu

12-17-2006, 07:21 AM	#10
phoenix User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quite probably! Is it '3005a' or '3050a'? Steve __________________ Stephen A. Petroni www.fesac.eu

12-11-2006, 08:18 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Nah...Leo just owns so many...he looses track of them all...

12-11-2006, 09:13 PM	#5
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi John..you are correct, I am upgrading my data base and I have both of these two guns listed. I believe they are one and the same...just not sure which one is correct. Leo

12-11-2006, 10:37 PM	#6
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Leo I have serial number 3305a recorded as: 1906 Navy, 3305a, GOUV. KIAU. 278 & O.M.D.2.6., -(Gouvernment Kiautschou Waffe Nr. 278; & Ostasiatisches Marinedetachement) Jan

12-12-2006, 12:09 AM	#7
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Jan and thank you for taking the time to respond to my dilemma. In corresponding with another collector overseas we both have 3305 GOUV.KIAU 278 O.M.D.2.6 and 3305a GOUV.KIAU. 278 O.M.D.2.6 listed as the same piece. On your original list you had seven of these pieces listed. Then number 3386 GOUV.KIAU 4 surfaced along with 3305 GOUV.KIAU.278 and 2797 GOUV. KIAU with an unknown weapon number. For the time being I will continue to keep them both listed with a question mark on the "a suffix" Do you have any info on the weapon number of 2797 ? Regards Leo

12-16-2006, 09:09 AM	#9
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Could 593 be a typo of 3004'S "5.93"? Also, I have Gouv Kia 3005a recorded the same as Jan Still above but also noted it is a first issue safety in unaltered condition. I think my information came off this site.

12-17-2006, 06:57 PM	#11
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Sorry for the typo I have: 3305a Gouv Kiau 276 O.M.D. 2.6 upper case "Gesichert" 1st Issue unaltered Send me your email address and I will gladly sent you my table.

12-17-2006, 07:29 PM	#12
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	GOUV.KIAU Hello Heinz.......Thank you for your interest. I am sure we will solve this problem soon. There are several people that are showing interest in what I do believe is a "typo error" and sooner or later we will know the answer. My email address is [email protected] Leo

12-17-2006, 08:08 PM	#13
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	This email from JohnF on the forum mentions 3305a. It is from 2003. At one point he gave me the rest of the information that I posted. I cannot remember if I had photos of it but I had a computer crash between then and now. "Am I right in thinking that my P.06 unaltered Luger S/N 3305a would have been made in 1906 or was it made before then? Still's Imperial Lugers mentioned that the first 8000 pistols were to have been delivered before May 1906 but that's all I've been able to find. Any help would be appreciated." (JohnF who was a member in England)