Erfurt ?

jayc14943 · 12-14-2006, 04:56 AM

I have a erfurt Luger with all matching serial numbers including the magazine . My question is This gun has no date stamped on the gun . Is this correct all the erfurt lugers I have seen have the date stamped on the top of the gun . The toggle is marked erfurt and has a 82 along with all the other parts in the gun the last 2 digits in the serial number are 82 so I figured it should be all original .

Thanks for any help I know very little about these guns and any help would be much appreciated .

This gun is from a estate and there for I have no real history for the gun .

I can post a few pictures if that helps
Again thanks for any help

Jay

Dwight Gruber · 12-14-2006, 06:11 AM

Jay,

Please post pictures. An Erfurt Luger without a chamber date is out of the ordinary.

--Dwight

jayc14943 · 12-14-2006, 11:04 PM

More pictures to follow All numbers on the gun are 82 the last 2 of the serial number

jayc14943 · 12-14-2006, 11:04 PM

Notice no date code .

Aaron · 12-14-2006, 11:25 PM

Police rework. One of our Weimar police collectors will be along to explain more fully.

Edward Tinker · 12-14-2006, 11:49 PM

Not sure why the date would have been ground off. What are the proofs on the right? That might explain a bit, if it has Erfurt proofs (and is all matching), then that might tell us something. If it is Weimar proofs, and the Erfurt toggle matches, then the toggle is a force match by someone...

It is a sear and magazine safety police. Those two safety's were put on in 1933 and the magazine safety made inoperable in the late 1930's to almost all guns. Is yours snipped off by the trigger? Hard to tell by the pictures, it might appear to be mostly there, but 95% of the time they are inoperable.

Ed

Don M · 12-15-2006, 12:25 PM

Jay,

Welcome to the forum. Are there any markings on the front grip strap?

jayc14943 · 12-15-2006, 01:58 PM

Guys first I would like to say Thank you for helping me

There are no marlings on the front strap or the right side of the gun . I do not think there ever was a date code on the chamber there is no evidence of any grinding the metal all looks the same and not lower at any point . I will post more pictures of the markings on the front of the gun .

This gun is from the estate of a 50+ year collector who passed away a few months ago .

jayc14943 · 12-15-2006, 02:00 PM

I hope these pictures help . I am trying to decide what this gun is worth and if I am going to buy it from the estate for myself or put it up for auction for the estate . I have listed alot of guns for the estate and think I should eep a few for my collection . A $ figure on this gun would be a big help .

Dwight Gruber · 12-15-2006, 02:11 PM

Jay,

It appears that this pistol underwent rework for police service, and during that process the barrel/receiver combination was replaced. As there are no markings on expected places found on either the barrel or receceiver, it is not possible to deduce their source.

See your private messages.

--Dwight

12-14-2006, 04:56 AM	#1
jayc14943 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Erfurt ? I have a erfurt Luger with all matching serial numbers including the magazine . My question is This gun has no date stamped on the gun . Is this correct all the erfurt lugers I have seen have the date stamped on the top of the gun . The toggle is marked erfurt and has a 82 along with all the other parts in the gun the last 2 digits in the serial number are 82 so I figured it should be all original . Thanks for any help I know very little about these guns and any help would be much appreciated . This gun is from a estate and there for I have no real history for the gun . I can post a few pictures if that helps Again thanks for any help Jay

12-14-2006, 11:04 PM	#3
jayc14943 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pictyres More pictures to follow All numbers on the gun are 82 the last 2 of the serial number Attached Thumbnails

12-14-2006, 11:04 PM	#4
jayc14943 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	top Notice no date code . Attached Thumbnails

12-15-2006, 12:25 PM	#7
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Jay, Welcome to the forum. Are there any markings on the front grip strap? __________________ Regards, Don [email protected] Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

12-15-2006, 01:58 PM	#8
jayc14943 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Guys first I would like to say Thank you for helping me There are no marlings on the front strap or the right side of the gun . I do not think there ever was a date code on the chamber there is no evidence of any grinding the metal all looks the same and not lower at any point . I will post more pictures of the markings on the front of the gun . This gun is from the estate of a 50+ year collector who passed away a few months ago . Attached Thumbnails

12-14-2006, 06:11 AM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Jay, Please post pictures. An Erfurt Luger without a chamber date is out of the ordinary. --Dwight

12-14-2006, 11:25 PM	#5
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Police rework. One of our Weimar police collectors will be along to explain more fully.

12-14-2006, 11:49 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Not sure why the date would have been ground off. What are the proofs on the right? That might explain a bit, if it has Erfurt proofs (and is all matching), then that might tell us something. If it is Weimar proofs, and the Erfurt toggle matches, then the toggle is a force match by someone... It is a sear and magazine safety police. Those two safety's were put on in 1933 and the magazine safety made inoperable in the late 1930's to almost all guns. Is yours snipped off by the trigger? Hard to tell by the pictures, it might appear to be mostly there, but 95% of the time they are inoperable. Ed

12-15-2006, 02:00 PM	#9
jayc14943 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I hope these pictures help . I am trying to decide what this gun is worth and if I am going to buy it from the estate for myself or put it up for auction for the estate . I have listed alot of guns for the estate and think I should eep a few for my collection . A $ figure on this gun would be a big help . Attached Thumbnails

12-15-2006, 02:11 PM	#10
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Jay, It appears that this pistol underwent rework for police service, and during that process the barrel/receiver combination was replaced. As there are no markings on expected places found on either the barrel or receceiver, it is not possible to deduce their source. See your private messages. --Dwight