UK Gun Owner's Petition for the 2012 Olympics.

John Sabato · 12-06-2007, 11:25 AM

I have been asked to post this for TACfoley... I completely understand his anguish and feelings in this matter...

messages follow:====================

Dear All, specially John Sabato - please take note of this response to a petition signed by over 1/4 million honest, law-abiding citizens of the UK. The cynical answer tells you all you need to know about the prersent and past government of the UK.

please tell your friends, and John - please post it for me on lugerforums, if you care to.

To say that I'm disgusted does not do the word justice - we are STILL being treated as a danger to the public, and where, pray, will these potential medal winners come from? Where will the officials for the shooting sport competiutions come from?

Many questions that wll never be answered, including the one where a new shooting sports centre is going to be built at Woolwich for Ã?Â£20M ,and then demolished at a cost of Ã?Â£12M.

makes REAL sense, eh?

t

-----Original Message-----
From: 10 Downing Street <[email protected]>
To: e-petition signatories <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 2:06 am
Subject: Government response to petition 'TargetPistols'

You signed a petition asking the Prime Minister to "Change the law to
permit our target pistol shooters to prepare properly for international and
Olympic competitions."

The Prime Minister's Office has responded to that petition and you can view
it here:

http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page13973.asp

Prime Minister's Office

Petition information - http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TargetPistols/

If you would like to opt out of receiving further mail on this or any other
petitions you signed, please email [email protected]

=======================

This is the result of being "subjects" of the crown instead of "citizens" of a democratic republic.... all are encouraged to re-read the U.S. Bill of Rights and to defend them at every opportunity so we don't end up in this situation any time soon...

Mumintrollet · 12-06-2007, 12:39 PM

Unbelievable

but then again ....not.

Politics

davidkachel · 12-06-2007, 04:27 PM

1984 arrived late in GB, but in full force.

BTW guys, lest you think this is not happening here (USA) right under our noses, let me point out to you that for the first time in our history, the Republican party is attempting to slip not one, but three trojan horses past us.

Research it for yourself rather than believe me, but you will find that ALL THREE of the top-tier, media endorsed, pre-selected in the back room, Republican candidates are anti-gun candidates: Giuliani (rabidly anti-gun, wants no one to have any except of course government thugs), Romney (Hillary style anti-gun, check his record!) and finally McCain (you ought to be ashamed of yourself, back-door anti-gun, again, check that voting record; he even sponsored one I believe).

Except for Ron Paul the other Republicans are paying lip service but don't actually give a damn and will no doubt fold in a stiff breeze.

The deck is sure stacked this time around. Thank God the NRA is sounding the alarm, huh!? Oh wait, they haven't said a word! How strange!!!

Mauser720 · 12-06-2007, 05:08 PM

It may be premature to "sound the alarm" now, since we still do not know who will actually be nominated. In the past, the NRA has always provided the membership with accurate information well in advance of the election. This information includes recommendations on how to vote in the primaries. I receive "junk mail" from other organizations who represent themselves as being active in the support of citizens' rights under the Second Amendment; however, I have yet to be made aware of anything these other organizations are actually accomplishing, other than to ask for donations. The NRA is actually doing a lot to protect or Second Amendment rights, and the politicians know the NRA has influence at the polls too. I am always suspicious of any politician who will not respond to an inquiry from the NRA.

Mauser720 - Ron

davidkachel · 12-07-2007, 12:54 AM

Mauser720,

Once you know who will be nominated it is too late to sound the alarm! What are we going to do, vote for Hillary instead??? The idea is to find out who the anti-gun people are BEFORE there is a chance they will be nominated. Millions of gun owners are being led down the garden path by a now deceitful republican party and a silent NRA.

Hugh · 12-07-2007, 01:11 AM

Thompson is probably the lesser "anti gun" than any of the other viable Republican candidates. If it comes down to voting for an anti gun Republican or Democrat, however, I will still go with the Republican!

Mauser720 · 12-07-2007, 09:11 AM

Well, the NRA has an Email notification system on all political issues, and I receive several of these notifications every week or so. Prior to any primary, I always recieve all kinds of information about the candidates various positions on what the Second Amendment really means, etc. All this information is free for the asking. If you go to this web site address, you can see what the NRA is doing right now: http://www.nra.com/

This is an extremely interesting service and only one of several the NRA provides. I would encourage everyone to check it out.

I do not think it is accurate to say that the NRA is "silent."

For example, here is one of the items that the President of the NRA has posted just this morning. You will note he is not that pleased with any of the candidates:

12/7/2007

I've already asked presidential candidate Barack Obama some questions about what the Second Amendment means to him. But other candidates have also expressed vocal support for the Second Amendment while going after American gun owners.

Hillary Clinton, for example, told the Des Moines Register, "I support the Second Amendment. Law-abiding citizens should be able to own guns... but I also believe strongly in smart laws that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists."

Now, I could spend hours asking Hillary about her position on the Second Amendment and her treatment of gun owners, but this is a blog, not a novel. So here are a couple of follow-up questions.

Hillary, do you think the law-abiding citizens of Washington, D.C., have an individual right to own guns in their own homes for their own protection?

Hillary, do you think the D.C. gun ban is a "smart law,?"

Hillary, do you think your husband's gun ban, which lasted a decade and banned thousands of firearms based on purely cosmetic features, is another one of those "smart laws?"

Hillary, so you agree with the position of your husband's administration that the second amendment is only a government right, not and individual right and there's absolutely nothing to prevent the government from confiscating all citizens firearms?

The days of political candidates being able to duck and run on the Second Amendment issue are over. It's time to find out what their real positions are, and I challenge every reporter who has access to Hillary to pose these questions to her.

******************

Mauser720 - Ron

12-06-2007, 11:25 AM	#1
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	UK Gun Owner's Petition for the 2012 Olympics. I have been asked to post this for TACfoley... I completely understand his anguish and feelings in this matter... messages follow:==================== Dear All, specially John Sabato - please take note of this response to a petition signed by over 1/4 million honest, law-abiding citizens of the UK. The cynical answer tells you all you need to know about the prersent and past government of the UK. please tell your friends, and John - please post it for me on lugerforums, if you care to. To say that I'm disgusted does not do the word justice - we are STILL being treated as a danger to the public, and where, pray, will these potential medal winners come from? Where will the officials for the shooting sport competiutions come from? Many questions that wll never be answered, including the one where a new shooting sports centre is going to be built at Woolwich for Ã?Â£20M ,and then demolished at a cost of Ã?Â£12M. makes REAL sense, eh? t -----Original Message----- From: 10 Downing Street <[email protected]> To: e-petition signatories <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 2:06 am Subject: Government response to petition 'TargetPistols' You signed a petition asking the Prime Minister to "Change the law to permit our target pistol shooters to prepare properly for international and Olympic competitions." The Prime Minister's Office has responded to that petition and you can view it here: http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page13973.asp Prime Minister's Office Petition information - http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TargetPistols/ If you would like to opt out of receiving further mail on this or any other petitions you signed, please email [email protected] ======================= This is the result of being "subjects" of the crown instead of "citizens" of a democratic republic.... all are encouraged to re-read the U.S. Bill of Rights and to defend them at every opportunity so we don't end up in this situation any time soon... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-06-2007, 04:27 PM	#3
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	1984 arrived late in GB, but in full force. BTW guys, lest you think this is not happening here (USA) right under our noses, let me point out to you that for the first time in our history, the Republican party is attempting to slip not one, but three trojan horses past us. Research it for yourself rather than believe me, but you will find that ALL THREE of the top-tier, media endorsed, pre-selected in the back room, Republican candidates are anti-gun candidates: Giuliani (rabidly anti-gun, wants no one to have any except of course government thugs), Romney (Hillary style anti-gun, check his record!) and finally McCain (you ought to be ashamed of yourself, back-door anti-gun, again, check that voting record; he even sponsored one I believe). Except for Ron Paul the other Republicans are paying lip service but don't actually give a damn and will no doubt fold in a stiff breeze. The deck is sure stacked this time around. Thank God the NRA is sounding the alarm, huh!? Oh wait, they haven't said a word! How strange!!! __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

12-06-2007, 05:08 PM	#4
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	It may be premature to "sound the alarm" now, since we still do not know who will actually be nominated. In the past, the NRA has always provided the membership with accurate information well in advance of the election. This information includes recommendations on how to vote in the primaries. I receive "junk mail" from other organizations who represent themselves as being active in the support of citizens' rights under the Second Amendment; however, I have yet to be made aware of anything these other organizations are actually accomplishing, other than to ask for donations. The NRA is actually doing a lot to protect or Second Amendment rights, and the politicians know the NRA has influence at the polls too. I am always suspicious of any politician who will not respond to an inquiry from the NRA. Mauser720 - Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

12-07-2007, 12:54 AM	#5
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Mauser720, Once you know who will be nominated it is too late to sound the alarm! What are we going to do, vote for Hillary instead??? The idea is to find out who the anti-gun people are BEFORE there is a chance they will be nominated. Millions of gun owners are being led down the garden path by a now deceitful republican party and a silent NRA. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

12-07-2007, 01:11 AM	#6
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Thompson is probably the lesser "anti gun" than any of the other viable Republican candidates. If it comes down to voting for an anti gun Republican or Democrat, however, I will still go with the Republican! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

12-06-2007, 12:39 PM	#2
Mumintrollet User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 25 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Unbelievable but then again ....not. Politics

12-07-2007, 09:11 AM	#7
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Well, the NRA has an Email notification system on all political issues, and I receive several of these notifications every week or so. Prior to any primary, I always recieve all kinds of information about the candidates various positions on what the Second Amendment really means, etc. All this information is free for the asking. If you go to this web site address, you can see what the NRA is doing right now: http://www.nra.com/ This is an extremely interesting service and only one of several the NRA provides. I would encourage everyone to check it out. I do not think it is accurate to say that the NRA is "silent." For example, here is one of the items that the President of the NRA has posted just this morning. You will note he is not that pleased with any of the candidates: 12/7/2007 I've already asked presidential candidate Barack Obama some questions about what the Second Amendment means to him. But other candidates have also expressed vocal support for the Second Amendment while going after American gun owners. Hillary Clinton, for example, told the Des Moines Register, "I support the Second Amendment. Law-abiding citizens should be able to own guns... but I also believe strongly in smart laws that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists." Now, I could spend hours asking Hillary about her position on the Second Amendment and her treatment of gun owners, but this is a blog, not a novel. So here are a couple of follow-up questions. Hillary, do you think the law-abiding citizens of Washington, D.C., have an individual right to own guns in their own homes for their own protection? Hillary, do you think the D.C. gun ban is a "smart law,?" Hillary, do you think your husband's gun ban, which lasted a decade and banned thousands of firearms based on purely cosmetic features, is another one of those "smart laws?" Hillary, so you agree with the position of your husband's administration that the second amendment is only a government right, not and individual right and there's absolutely nothing to prevent the government from confiscating all citizens firearms? The days of political candidates being able to duck and run on the Second Amendment issue are over. It's time to find out what their real positions are, and I challenge every reporter who has access to Hillary to pose these questions to her. ****************** Mauser720 - Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."