double dated artillery luger

ginger49023 · 12-12-2007, 02:05 PM

I am looking for an artillery luger and I have found one reasonable.

It is double dated.

Any comments by the "pros" as to good / bad?

thanks

Edward Tinker · 12-12-2007, 02:08 PM

is it matching?

Is it original?

My impression is that weimar dated guns / reworked sell for less than non-touched imperial pieces

welcome to the forum Tim

Ron Smith · 12-12-2007, 02:11 PM

Hi Tim,

What do you mean by reasonable?

Ron

ginger49023 · 12-12-2007, 02:15 PM

Guess you can tell I am a bit new.

Slightly under $3000.00.

1917 / 1920

All matching.

90% finish

"Good Bore"

Ron Smith · 12-12-2007, 02:50 PM

Tim,

Here's a double date at "FGS"( 4th one down), Doug Smith's site ( no relation). It's rated at 96% for $2850. They are honest and trust worthy.

http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/photo_2.html

Ron

Big Norm · 12-18-2007, 10:45 PM

Tim,
I'm a little late in jumping in here, but better late than never. Are you a collector or do you just want a nice artillery to go shooting with? Most collectors would prefer to avoid the double dates and it is the collectors who pay the big bucks. With that said, you should go with Ed's opinion.

Ron's opinion about 'FGS' is correct too. Doug Smith is an honest dealer who has some very nice stuff. Its just that Doug has a tendency to be a bite pricey. Sometimes I am amazed at the prices he gets for his guns. But he gets it, so who am I to question his business? But that has nothing to do with his honesty, which I will personally vouch for. But your question doesn't have anything to do with Doug Smith. Ron only suggested that you look at Dougs artillery for comparision purposes. I do that a lot too.

I think that $2850 is a bit high for a double date, especially a 1917/1920. I don't know much about your artillery thats in question and would have to know more about it since the 1917 was a transitional year for that date. The early 1917's had adjustible front and rear sights with screws on both ends of the sights. As the year went on and inventory was used up, these sights ended up like the 1918's. That is, without the adjusting screws for windage. These screws on the early 1917's gave the gun a little more macho and more accurate image. So some collectors like them more.

Finally, the 1917 is the most common date for the artillery. More artilleries of that date were produced than any other date. So they don't command the price that some other artilleries would. Plus the eariler dates had a better chance of being lost during the war years than the 1917 for any number of reasons. But I am mostly a collector of artilleries so I am speaking from that point of view.

I hope that this helps.
Big Norm

12-12-2007, 02:05 PM	#1
ginger49023 New User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	double dated artillery luger I am looking for an artillery luger and I have found one reasonable. It is double dated. Any comments by the "pros" as to good / bad? thanks

12-12-2007, 02:08 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	is it matching? Is it original? My impression is that weimar dated guns / reworked sell for less than non-touched imperial pieces welcome to the forum Tim __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-12-2007, 02:11 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Tim, What do you mean by reasonable? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

12-12-2007, 02:50 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Tim, Here's a double date at "FGS"( 4th one down), Doug Smith's site ( no relation). It's rated at 96% for $2850. They are honest and trust worthy. http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/photo_2.html Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

12-12-2007, 02:15 PM	#4
ginger49023 New User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Guess you can tell I am a bit new. Slightly under $3000.00. 1917 / 1920 All matching. 90% finish "Good Bore"

12-18-2007, 10:45 PM	#6
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Tim, I'm a little late in jumping in here, but better late than never. Are you a collector or do you just want a nice artillery to go shooting with? Most collectors would prefer to avoid the double dates and it is the collectors who pay the big bucks. With that said, you should go with Ed's opinion. Ron's opinion about 'FGS' is correct too. Doug Smith is an honest dealer who has some very nice stuff. Its just that Doug has a tendency to be a bite pricey. Sometimes I am amazed at the prices he gets for his guns. But he gets it, so who am I to question his business? But that has nothing to do with his honesty, which I will personally vouch for. But your question doesn't have anything to do with Doug Smith. Ron only suggested that you look at Dougs artillery for comparision purposes. I do that a lot too. I think that $2850 is a bit high for a double date, especially a 1917/1920. I don't know much about your artillery thats in question and would have to know more about it since the 1917 was a transitional year for that date. The early 1917's had adjustible front and rear sights with screws on both ends of the sights. As the year went on and inventory was used up, these sights ended up like the 1918's. That is, without the adjusting screws for windage. These screws on the early 1917's gave the gun a little more macho and more accurate image. So some collectors like them more. Finally, the 1917 is the most common date for the artillery. More artilleries of that date were produced than any other date. So they don't command the price that some other artilleries would. Plus the eariler dates had a better chance of being lost during the war years than the 1917 for any number of reasons. But I am mostly a collector of artilleries so I am speaking from that point of view. I hope that this helps. Big Norm