American Eagle Recoil Spring

Thor · 10-31-2001, 11:20 PM

What the heh?? Bill Stanley's 1906 American Eagle's Luger is being refinished and resprung (new springs) A Wolff Spring kit is going in this gun! The main spring that was in this gun is only 2.4" long and appears to be original (not cut this length) The replacement 38# Wolff mainspring is WAY longer-4" The gun is a 30 Luger but I thought they used the same springs? Any ideas? Thor

Thor · 10-31-2001, 11:37 PM

Just checked Frank Rials CD for original dimensions of the spring (all Luger parts too) and it shows the spring 96 mm which is approximately 3.78" and 10 mm in diameter (0.39") The spring replacement is 4" in length and 0.4" diameter. Almost looks like this gun was set up for a very weak loaded 7.65 m/m Parabellum loading (30 Luger) Any ideas on this short spring? The coils just dont look that much closer together to believe it could have possible be reduced in length 1 & 1/2". Thor

11-01-2001, 12:40 AM

Thor,

Is it possible that this Eagle was resprung for a .22 cal.

conversion kit.

No evidence, Just guessing.

ViggoG

Thor · 11-01-2001, 04:27 AM

It appears from talking to Tom Heller offline this evening and checking Harry Jones Book, the 1906 AE had two different recoil springs, one for 9mm and the other for 7.65 mm which was shorter. Thor

John Sabato · 11-01-2001, 11:24 AM

and wack off 1 or 2 coils at a time until the gun fires and reliably locks the toggle back on an empty magazine with the intended ammunition Thor... Then it should be primo with a loaded reliable magazine...

Just my $0.02

-John

P.S. - (seems like I have spent a couple of dollars here $0.02 at a time on the forum in the last couple of days! )

Thor · 11-01-2001, 01:04 PM

Already doing that! I will fire her today! HOPEFULLY! ~Thor~

BILL · 11-01-2001, 04:27 PM

Spring length and tension can be tricky conversions. I am not an expert on springs by any means but it would seem to me that one could have a four inch coil spring and a three inch coil spring, same amount of coils, same diameter coils, same diameter wire and still have equal spring tension on both lengths. Anyone know if there is an absolute rule on this?

Uncle Mike · 11-01-2001, 06:00 PM

Hi Thor,I would call Wolff Springs.I have had good luck with them and if no one knows the answer they put the owner on the telephone and he knows his stuff.Regards,MC

Thor · 11-01-2001, 07:38 PM

Thanks Mike, There recoil spring package says 7.65 & 9mm so they sell the same for both. I have already cut the spring back and headed to the range to shoot tomorrow. After ready Harry Jones Luger Variation where he documents there is indeed a shorter spring for the 1906 30 vs the longer spring for the 1906 9, and after this being confirmed by our parts expert Tom Heller, a shorter spring IS in order! ~Thor~

10-31-2001, 11:20 PM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	American Eagle Recoil Spring What the heh?? Bill Stanley's 1906 American Eagle's Luger is being refinished and resprung (new springs) A Wolff Spring kit is going in this gun! The main spring that was in this gun is only 2.4" long and appears to be original (not cut this length) The replacement 38# Wolff mainspring is WAY longer-4" The gun is a 30 Luger but I thought they used the same springs? Any ideas? Thor

10-31-2001, 11:37 PM	#2
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: American Eagle Recoil Spring Just checked Frank Rials CD for original dimensions of the spring (all Luger parts too) and it shows the spring 96 mm which is approximately 3.78" and 10 mm in diameter (0.39") The spring replacement is 4" in length and 0.4" diameter. Almost looks like this gun was set up for a very weak loaded 7.65 m/m Parabellum loading (30 Luger) Any ideas on this short spring? The coils just dont look that much closer together to believe it could have possible be reduced in length 1 & 1/2". Thor

11-01-2001, 12:40 AM	#3
Viggo G Dereng Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Short AE Recoil Spring ?? .22 cal ?? Thor, Is it possible that this Eagle was resprung for a .22 cal. conversion kit. No evidence, Just guessing. ViggoG

11-01-2001, 04:27 AM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Short AE Recoil Spring ?? .22 cal ?? It appears from talking to Tom Heller offline this evening and checking Harry Jones Book, the 1906 AE had two different recoil springs, one for 9mm and the other for 7.65 mm which was shorter. Thor

11-01-2001, 11:24 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I would install the new spring... and wack off 1 or 2 coils at a time until the gun fires and reliably locks the toggle back on an empty magazine with the intended ammunition Thor... Then it should be primo with a loaded reliable magazine... Just my $0.02 -John P.S. - (seems like I have spent a couple of dollars here $0.02 at a time on the forum in the last couple of days! )

11-01-2001, 01:04 PM	#6
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: I would install the new spring... Already doing that! I will fire her today! HOPEFULLY! ~Thor~

11-01-2001, 04:27 PM	#7
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: I would install the new spring... Spring length and tension can be tricky conversions. I am not an expert on springs by any means but it would seem to me that one could have a four inch coil spring and a three inch coil spring, same amount of coils, same diameter coils, same diameter wire and still have equal spring tension on both lengths. Anyone know if there is an absolute rule on this?

11-01-2001, 06:00 PM	#8
Uncle Mike User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Call Wolff Springs Hi Thor,I would call Wolff Springs.I have had good luck with them and if no one knows the answer they put the owner on the telephone and he knows his stuff.Regards,MC

11-01-2001, 07:38 PM	#9
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Call Wolff Springs Thanks Mike, There recoil spring package says 7.65 & 9mm so they sell the same for both. I have already cut the spring back and headed to the range to shoot tomorrow. After ready Harry Jones Luger Variation where he documents there is indeed a shorter spring for the 1906 30 vs the longer spring for the 1906 9, and after this being confirmed by our parts expert Tom Heller, a shorter spring IS in order! ~Thor~