new collector trying to identify

bigreek · 03-02-2009, 11:35 PM

I have recently purchased a .30 cal luger and am trying to identify the small crown with a N under it in the left side and underside of the pistol and the numbers 8413. I am also having some Jamming issues where the round will not eject or a missfire.

Edward Tinker · 03-02-2009, 11:40 PM

It most likely is a east german or russian import? Import markings?

The crown N was the proof marking placed on a luger (or other gun) that had been tested and proved to be good (fired and it passed). The 8413 should be the same number as the serial number, if not then the barrel has been changed.

Ed

Vlim · 03-03-2009, 02:29 PM

The gun has a certain Eastern-European VoPo look. The grips are DDR VoPo without doubt.

Are you sure it's .30 luger and not 9mm? Never saw a .30 luger DDR VoPo before...

pitsword · 03-03-2009, 08:44 PM

Vlim (ster),
Thank you for always being there for us with infomation and FACT's.

Best to all,
Pitsword

bigreek · 03-03-2009, 11:39 PM

Edward Tinker, what about the crown above the N. Do you think that the jamming problem is due to the mag. My first attempt will be to get a new mag any Ideas on where to pick some up

alterfritz · 03-04-2009, 12:30 AM

I don't know if they're available in .30 but from what I read here so far Mac Ger are the best available magazines for Lugers. You should contact G.T. here in the forum, he is a specialist for magazines. I had two magazines refurbished by him recently.

MFC · 03-04-2009, 02:52 AM

All Luger mags will function with both 9mm or 30 cal. The case of a 30cal is the same diameter, but is necked down. Both are the same length. Only the barrel determines the caliber of a Luger. The frame, receiver, breech block, and toggles are the same for each variation.
Exception to the rule: 45 cal. Luger.

Vlim · 03-04-2009, 11:45 AM

Nr. 2 Exception to the rule: Postwar Mauser Parabellum

MFC · 03-05-2009, 12:08 AM

Vlim,
Thanks. I didn't know that. What is different about them that they won't accept both calibers?

#3 exception; .380 and .32acp, Baby Lugers.

03-02-2009, 11:35 PM	#1
bigreek New User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Grand Canyon AZ Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	new collector trying to identify I have recently purchased a .30 cal luger and am trying to identify the small crown with a N under it in the left side and underside of the pistol and the numbers 8413. I am also having some Jamming issues where the round will not eject or a missfire.

03-02-2009, 11:40 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	It most likely is a east german or russian import? Import markings? The crown N was the proof marking placed on a luger (or other gun) that had been tested and proved to be good (fired and it passed). The 8413 should be the same number as the serial number, if not then the barrel has been changed. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-03-2009, 08:44 PM	#4
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 459 Thanks: 3,964 Thanked 103 Times in 83 Posts	Thank you Vlim (ster), Thank you for always being there for us with infomation and FACT's. Best to all, Pitsword

03-04-2009, 02:52 AM	#7
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	All Luger mags will function with both 9mm or 30 cal. The case of a 30cal is the same diameter, but is necked down. Both are the same length. Only the barrel determines the caliber of a Luger. The frame, receiver, breech block, and toggles are the same for each variation. Exception to the rule: 45 cal. Luger. __________________ Mike C.

03-05-2009, 12:08 AM	#9
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Vlim, Thanks. I didn't know that. What is different about them that they won't accept both calibers? #3 exception; .380 and .32acp, Baby Lugers. __________________ Mike C.

03-03-2009, 02:29 PM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	The gun has a certain Eastern-European VoPo look. The grips are DDR VoPo without doubt. Are you sure it's .30 luger and not 9mm? Never saw a .30 luger DDR VoPo before...

03-03-2009, 11:39 PM	#5
bigreek New User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Grand Canyon AZ Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Edward Tinker, what about the crown above the N. Do you think that the jamming problem is due to the mag. My first attempt will be to get a new mag any Ideas on where to pick some up

03-04-2009, 12:30 AM	#6
alterfritz User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: California Posts: 63 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I don't know if they're available in .30 but from what I read here so far Mac Ger are the best available magazines for Lugers. You should contact G.T. here in the forum, he is a specialist for magazines. I had two magazines refurbished by him recently.

03-04-2009, 11:45 AM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Nr. 2 Exception to the rule: Postwar Mauser Parabellum