Police marking

Patrick Sweeney · 09-29-2009, 03:12 PM

I know I've asked this before, but my search-fu is weak (or the post long-ago archived) so can someone help?

4" 9mm with police safety on sideplate, DWM toggle, no chamber date, frontstrap marked;

L.Hi.134

Edward Tinker · 09-29-2009, 03:23 PM

Yes, I know what this ones means.

I had one just like it and sold it recently.

It is Landjägerei Hildesheim weapon number 134

Ed

Ron Smith · 09-29-2009, 03:29 PM

Sounds like a 1929 BKIW referred to as a "Sneak" (no date). Marked to Landjagerei (Rural Police) Hildesheim District , inventory number 134.

Post some photos...

Ron

Don M · 10-01-2009, 05:59 PM

Patrick, may I know the serial number and letter suffix from the front of the frame for my database?

Patrick Sweeney · 10-01-2009, 07:56 PM

Here's a photo, assuming I figure this out:

Patrick Sweeney · 01-04-2021, 06:23 PM

I know, ressurecting an old thread, but I have a question for those in the know: what would the proper holster for this one be? Details would be nice, and a photo or two would be even better.

Proofed · 01-04-2021, 07:58 PM

Your police pistol has a magazine safety that looks intact to me (trigger wont work without a mag in the gun) that Walther safety began in 1933 and could have been retrofitted into most
existing prior produced pistols. That safety was discontinued in 1937, ordered to be made nonfunctional or removed and discontinued. So your pistol was likely not made after 1937.

Patrick Sweeney · 01-05-2021, 04:12 PM

I'd have to dig it out of the safe, but as I recall the magazine safety wasn't removed, just clipped/ground off where it would engage, and the visible part left there.

DonVoigt · 01-06-2021, 06:29 PM

The mag safety is clipped, you can see the trigger spring behind where the tab that blocks the trigger would be.

Most any police style holster would be appropriate, Police = the up strap with button, not a buckle.

Dwight Gruber · 01-07-2021, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Sweeney

I know, ressurecting an old thread, but I have a question for those in the know: what would the proper holster for this one be? Details would be nice, and a photo or two would be even better.

Holster black or brown, a strap attached to the holster body going up through a loop fastened to the lid, fastened by a slit at the end of the strap hooked over a stud on the lid.

On the back, unmarked; or marked with a letter surrounded by a sunburst, sometimes with a maker's hallmark and a date; or a distinctive rounded-wing eagle over a swastika; or the hallmark Akah. On the upper right of the back, a unit mark with pistol number. In your case, L.Hi.134., although you will be lucky to find even the L.Hi. mark with a different number--an acceptable collector compromise.

There are police holsters converted from other pistols, and there are police holsters found with minor deviations in the strap-and-stud configuration. Police holsters are seen converted from standard military holsters (they retain the stitching holes from the buckle closure), as are holsters converted from Artillery holsters.

Sorry I don't have pictures right now.

--Dwight

Proofed · 01-07-2021, 02:30 AM

Here are a couple pics of a police holster that is serialized to the police pistol that came in it. with a police marking

Proofed · 01-07-2021, 02:35 AM

The police Mark

Patrick Sweeney · 01-08-2021, 11:17 AM

Thanks, exactly what I needed.

Patrick Sweeney · 01-08-2021, 11:21 AM

Doh, I should have waited and asked this as well: appropriate magazines for this one? Is there a particular one or type, or would most any model made up to 1929 be appropriate? I'll have to check to see what is in it, and if it is matching.

09-29-2009, 03:12 PM	#1
Patrick Sweeney User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 50 Times in 25 Posts	Police marking I know I've asked this before, but my search-fu is weak (or the post long-ago archived) so can someone help? 4" 9mm with police safety on sideplate, DWM toggle, no chamber date, frontstrap marked; L.Hi.134

09-29-2009, 03:23 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Yes, I know what this ones means. I had one just like it and sold it recently. It is Landjägerei Hildesheim weapon number 134 Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-29-2009, 03:29 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Sounds like a 1929 BKIW referred to as a "Sneak" (no date). Marked to Landjagerei (Rural Police) Hildesheim District , inventory number 134. Post some photos... Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-01-2009, 05:59 PM	#4
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Patrick, may I know the serial number and letter suffix from the front of the frame for my database? __________________ Regards, Don [email protected] Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

10-01-2009, 07:56 PM	#5
Patrick Sweeney User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 50 Times in 25 Posts	Here's a photo, assuming I figure this out: Attached Thumbnails

01-04-2021, 06:23 PM	#6
Patrick Sweeney User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 50 Times in 25 Posts	I know, ressurecting an old thread, but I have a question for those in the know: what would the proper holster for this one be? Details would be nice, and a photo or two would be even better.

01-04-2021, 07:58 PM	#7
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Your police pistol has a magazine safety that looks intact to me (trigger wont work without a mag in the gun) that Walther safety began in 1933 and could have been retrofitted into most existing prior produced pistols. That safety was discontinued in 1937, ordered to be made nonfunctional or removed and discontinued. So your pistol was likely not made after 1937.

01-05-2021, 04:12 PM	#8
Patrick Sweeney User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 50 Times in 25 Posts	I'd have to dig it out of the safe, but as I recall the magazine safety wasn't removed, just clipped/ground off where it would engage, and the visible part left there.

01-06-2021, 06:29 PM	#9
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	The mag safety is clipped, you can see the trigger spring behind where the tab that blocks the trigger would be. Most any police style holster would be appropriate, Police = the up strap with button, not a buckle. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-07-2021, 02:30 AM	#11
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Police Holster Here are a couple pics of a police holster that is serialized to the police pistol that came in it. with a police marking Attached Thumbnails

01-07-2021, 02:35 AM	#12
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Holster Mark The police Mark Attached Thumbnails

01-08-2021, 11:17 AM	#13
Patrick Sweeney User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 50 Times in 25 Posts	Thanks, exactly what I needed.

01-08-2021, 11:21 AM	#14
Patrick Sweeney User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 50 Times in 25 Posts	Doh, I should have waited and asked this as well: appropriate magazines for this one? Is there a particular one or type, or would most any model made up to 1929 be appropriate? I'll have to check to see what is in it, and if it is matching.