Upper Receiver alone can fire!

locodaddy · 01-28-2010, 12:26 PM

Hello everyone,

I was watching this video on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WD8R3S9IDI&fmt=18

I was wondering if this type of scenario can happen with the gun cocked and fully assembled?

Vlim · 01-28-2010, 01:03 PM

Yes, when you pull the trigger

The side plate normally protects the sear from being depressed by accident. It starts to get dangerous after the side plate is removed.

This is the reason why the sear safety was developed.

alanint · 01-28-2010, 01:03 PM

This has been known for many years.

Anything is possible.

Although the sideplate is designed to cover and protect the sear bar, any object small enough or sharp enough to come in contact with, and depress the sear bar will release the firing pin. Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? No.

This is one of my arguments against carrying a Luger for self protection.

locodaddy · 01-28-2010, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

This is one of my arguments against carrying a Luger for self protection.

Yes this is very true. I know someone who had an accidental discharge...having the gun cocked wasn't a bright idea

Thor · 01-28-2010, 03:15 PM

I did this once and on purpose!! I started out with a load just strong enough to get the bullet out the barrel, then I used a towel wrap over the cannon that was in my shooting hand and yep, it fired, then increased the load until I got to a full load, then I stopped and decided I did not want to do it again. I read it once in a spy book and had to try it, I DONT RECOMMEND IT! Read about it here!
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ht=fire+cannon

locodaddy · 01-28-2010, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

I did this once and on purpose!! I started out with a load just strong enough to get the bullet out the barrel, then I used a towel wrap over the cannon that was in my shooting hand and yep, it fired, then increased the load until I got to a full load, then I stopped and decided I did not want to do it again. I read it once in a spy book and had to try it, I DONT RECOMMEND IT! Read about it here!
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ht=fire+cannon

Interesting thanks buddy

Vlim · 01-28-2010, 04:08 PM

To make matters worse, a procedure that enabled the German police to demonstrate this behaviour to cadets was described in Schmitt's 'Waffentechnisches Unterrichtsbuch für den Polizeibeamten' (police weapons training manual).

In the book he describes a fixture, consisting of a wooden board, a wooden end piece and four nails that help to keep the upper part in place.

Conny · 01-28-2010, 04:22 PM

Very nice video. Thanks to ALL the members who wrote and filmed the upper firing. I knew it could be done but, to watch it on video is surprising. Thanks again gentlemen.

locodaddy · 01-28-2010, 05:09 PM

Yes thank you all like I said someone I know went to jail for an accidental discharge so I take this topic VERY seriously.

suum cuique · 01-28-2010, 09:47 PM

This poster is from the mid 1930's

MikeP · 01-29-2010, 10:31 PM

Anybody whoever handled or diassembled a Luger has to be aware this is a simple mechanical aspect.

Amazing anybody actually tested it with a live round.

A "Hold my beer and watch this!" moment.

I have a BYF 41 that shows little use other than holster wear.

There is enough "slop" in the safety bar slot that the pistol will fire with the safety engaged.
Must have been a Friday afternoon piece that slipped by the inpectors.

locodaddy · 01-30-2010, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeP

Anybody whoever handled or diassembled a Luger has to be aware this is a simple mechanical aspect.

Amazing anybody actually tested it with a live round.

A "Hold my beer and watch this!" moment.

I have a BYF 41 that shows little use other than holster wear.

There is enough "slop" in the safety bar slot that the pistol will fire with the safety engaged.
Must have been a Friday afternoon piece that slipped by the inpectors.

Do you have a picture of it sir?

suum cuique · 01-30-2010, 02:22 PM

Why would somebody clean a loaded weapon ???
It makes absolutely no sence to me.
Of course, it is an interesting aspect, that a Luger can fire just with the upper parts, but that anybody would clean a loaded gun is so unlikely like an oil change while the engine is running.

locodaddy · 01-30-2010, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suum cuique

Why would somebody clean a loaded weapon ???
It makes absolutely no sence to me.
Of course, it is an interesting aspect, that a Luger can fire just with the upper parts, but that anybody would clean a loaded gun is so unlikely like an oil change while the engine is running.

Very true but I guess some people don't use their heads or just simply ignore the fact to double and triple check a FIREARM which is DEADLY

01-28-2010, 12:26 PM	#1
locodaddy User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Upper Receiver alone can fire! Hello everyone, I was watching this video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WD8R3S9IDI&fmt=18 I was wondering if this type of scenario can happen with the gun cocked and fully assembled?

01-28-2010, 03:15 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I did this once and on purpose!! I started out with a load just strong enough to get the bullet out the barrel, then I used a towel wrap over the cannon that was in my shooting hand and yep, it fired, then increased the load until I got to a full load, then I stopped and decided I did not want to do it again. I read it once in a spy book and had to try it, I DONT RECOMMEND IT! Read about it here! http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ht=fire+cannon __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email [email protected] ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-28-2010, 04:08 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	To make matters worse, a procedure that enabled the German police to demonstrate this behaviour to cadets was described in Schmitt's 'Waffentechnisches Unterrichtsbuch für den Polizeibeamten' (police weapons training manual). In the book he describes a fixture, consisting of a wooden board, a wooden end piece and four nails that help to keep the upper part in place. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

01-28-2010, 04:22 PM	#8
Conny User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Culpeper, Va. Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Very nice video. Thanks to ALL the members who wrote and filmed the upper firing. I knew it could be done but, to watch it on video is surprising. Thanks again gentlemen. __________________ Rangers Lead the Way, Duane Leiker

01-28-2010, 09:47 PM	#10
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 100 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	GEFAHR ! (Danger!) This poster is from the mid 1930's Attached Thumbnails __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

01-28-2010, 01:03 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Yes, when you pull the trigger The side plate normally protects the sear from being depressed by accident. It starts to get dangerous after the side plate is removed. This is the reason why the sear safety was developed.

01-28-2010, 01:03 PM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	This has been known for many years. Anything is possible. Although the sideplate is designed to cover and protect the sear bar, any object small enough or sharp enough to come in contact with, and depress the sear bar will release the firing pin. Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? No. This is one of my arguments against carrying a Luger for self protection.

01-28-2010, 05:09 PM	#9
locodaddy User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes thank you all like I said someone I know went to jail for an accidental discharge so I take this topic VERY seriously.

01-29-2010, 10:31 PM	#11
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Anybody whoever handled or diassembled a Luger has to be aware this is a simple mechanical aspect. Amazing anybody actually tested it with a live round. A "Hold my beer and watch this!" moment. I have a BYF 41 that shows little use other than holster wear. There is enough "slop" in the safety bar slot that the pistol will fire with the safety engaged. Must have been a Friday afternoon piece that slipped by the inpectors.

01-30-2010, 02:22 PM	#13
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 100 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Well, there is one thing I can't understand Why would somebody clean a loaded weapon ??? It makes absolutely no sence to me. Of course, it is an interesting aspect, that a Luger can fire just with the upper parts, but that anybody would clean a loaded gun is so unlikely like an oil change while the engine is running. __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)