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hello,


I received this after buying it on-line, and it is pretty cool. It is from the gun seller Hy Hunter, and is from approx., 1956. Considering its age, the Lugers in it are not really cheap. Very fascinating to read tho!


The 2nd picture was this little letter of theirs, states that they received this crate that had about a 1,000 Lugers in it and now they were selling them.

http://users.palouse.com/ttinker/luger/List2.jpg


Picture 3 is the sales list they included. I noticed most of them don't have full serial numbers, such as a b or d after the 4 digit number, but if anyone has one of these pistols, wouldn't it be cool to see it from this list?


and make a comment here!

http://users.palouse.com/ttinker/luger/List3.jpg


And the 4th picture is one of the two or three pages they had of pictures of Lugers for sale.

http://users.palouse.com/ttinker/luger/List4.jpg


For some reason I like the stag horn grips (real ones) and if anyone has a pair...


Anyway, I thought y'all might like to see this list also!


I left the pictures large, so you could see them and John could have good solid pictures to store on his PC!!


Ed




http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Lugerlist1.jpg

[lugerholsterrepair]

Ed, A very interesting piece. What's facinating now is there is little premium for unuseual pistols, such as the Navy at the bottom for $97.00 and a G date for $67.00. I wish I were back there with a handful of cash, wouldn't that be a candy store! Jerry Burney

I hear that Jerry, still, for 1956 (and since I was born in 60...), it appears that prices were higher than the 1965 ad that Orv sent?


But these ads are what sparked my interest as a kid and the movies with Lugers of course!


I imagine they were exagerating on the 1,000 Lugers, but maybe not. There were and are probably 1,000's in warehouses or storage areas. Just look at the M-1's being sold by the US Gov't, I read a thing years ago, that the gov't is still holding 1903 Springfields, just in case. And all those millions of .45's that must have been collected, they must be somewhere? Hopefully not scrap!


Ed

[lugerholsterrepair]

Ed, You are right the prices were about thirty percent higher. Of course they may have lowered theirs when they didn't sell well. You never know when something is going to jump out of the woodwork. I suspect, like you that there are many of these things hidden away in armorys.


Born in 1960? I was 11 years old by then. Jerry Burney

Interesting to me is the fact that no reference is made to "matching" or "non-matching". This supports my contention that this became a major issue with the publishing of Fred Datig's book "The Luger Pistol". Of course, Datig was merely pointing out how to distinguish Lugers that were assembled from piles of parts and slammed togeather. I doubt that he or anyone else back then would have dreamed that a replaced hold open device would banish a great piece from colectable status, at least in some circles.

Very interesting observation BCC, makes you wonder.


On other collectables, are these standards held? I.E., P38's, Colt .45's, M1's etc?


Ed

[Marvin]

Ed,


The same for a P.38 holds true as with Lugers; all the numbers must match. On the Colt 1911 & 1911-A1, and M-1 Garand, yuo can match any part that is correct for that weapon and no one can tell it was original from the factory or not. The only way to tell is from wear on the replaced part. If the parts finish matches, and it is the correct manufacturer, no one can tell and the value remains high. many of the M-1 Garands have had a lot of parts mixed by an armourer and they were great, but when a collector looks at one, he makes sure all the correct parts are there. Anyone with a little knowledge, or a book can obtain the correct parts and assemble a collectors M-1.


Marvin

[Johnny Peppers]

Marvin,

From 1937 until almost 1944 Colt serial numbered the slide of their 1911A1's to the frame.

Early M1 Rifle restorations are among the hardest restorations to complete. The early parts are virtually impossible to find, and then with an original gas trap barrel going for $5000 and a set of original keystone springs selling for $2500 the problem is just finding them even if you have the money to spend. As with the Lugers, a lot of faking is going on.

[Marvin]

Johnny,


Thanka for the info on the Colts, I was not aware that the slide was serialed to the frame at any time! I was aware that the early M-1s were difficult to fabricate because the parts were just not available and I have never seen a gas trap before; I bet these would be difficult to fake up.


marvin

This is probably the reason that Luger parts go for som much on e-bay?


There is also a good trade and value on certain manufacture makes of M-1 Carbine parts.


Ed

[Johnny Peppers]

Marvin,

The slides of the Colts that I mentioned are serial numbered under the firing pin stop plate. Colt began numbering the slides of their Commercial Government Model in the 1920 time frame and discontinued this after WWII. Some of the Colt National Match .45's made in the 1960's had the slide numbered to the frame under the sight, as these pistols were hand fitted for minimum tolerance.

[JAMES]

Weren't the germans the only ones to inspect and "match" every piece to every gun? I have heard stories that our guys (troops) often preferred captured German arms from both world wars, especially Lugers in WWI and P38's and MP38/40s' from the WWII because of the quality. (seen many photos of them carried and used in battle by our troops too) I think that the ability to track or match original guns is one reason they are highly valued, and the quality advantages are another.

[Marvin]

Rick,


It is amazing the things we learn from the knowledgeable folks on this Forum. I was never a collector of the Colt 1911A1, but have had a few in my life and never knew the S/N was under the firing pin stop.


Marvin