Imperial Navy Holster Makers - Help Needed

Norme · 04-28-2011, 09:08 PM

I'm planning on including a list of known Navy holster makers in the next edition of "The Navy List". I believe it will be helpful in deciphering maker's marks that too often are only partly legible. Enclosed is the list of what I have so far, if you know of any others, please PM me before I "go to print". Thanks, Norm

klaus 3338 · 04-29-2011, 07:45 AM

Norn, nice idea- Thanks fot the list.
I have same questions and some photos.

I have not seen a A. Dahl Navy holster- can I see a photo please?
I have only seen Navy mag. pouches of ALBERT MÖLLER D´dorf ?
Please write ED. MOZER KARLSRUHE and F. J. DANIEL BÜHL I/B
Is it possible that J. BUGEN is L. RITGEN KARLSRUHE?
I never saw a holster of Tilman Berlin- can I see a photo please?
Same with Joseph Schwartz and Kersten. I´m living 20 kilometer from Crefeld (now Krefeld)- it would be nice to see a holster.
Please write M.OSWALD Karlsruhe and Stegmann & Bussau HAMBURG

I know RICH. MÖLLER ELBERFELD; SATTLER GEN. DÜSSELDORF and H.Müller & Co Offenbach i.B. (the last made mag. pouches)

Norme · 04-29-2011, 09:08 AM

Hi Klaus, Thanks for all that additional information, I'll send you the updated list, as part of the soon to be released "Navy List, V". I only have two photos to share, they are of holsters I own. As for the others you asked about, I'll give you references in a few days. Some of them were illustrated in books. Best regards, Norm

klaus 3338 · 04-29-2011, 01:55 PM

Your second holster is the best I ever saw.

I have a few pics more. But they are well known makers.
No. 16 is LOH SÖHNE ACT.GES. BERLIN

Norme · 04-29-2011, 02:58 PM

Thanks for those pictures, Klaus, you truly have an amazing holster collection. I'm enclosing two more photos of my Wilh. Doll holster. It's the best one I've seen, also.
With regard to your questions, I unfortunately did not note down where I saw the holsters on my list (I will from now on). An A. Dahl/Barmen holster is pictured in "Imperial Lugers" by Jan Still on page 190. An Albert Möller/Dusseldorf Type 1 holster,and an L.Bugen/Karlsruhe Type 2 are illustrated in the new Görtz/Sturgess book "Pistole Parabellum". If you don't already have this book, you should get it. It's coverage of holsters and accessories is superb and the illustrations are wonderful. Best regards, Norm

klaus 3338 · 04-30-2011, 03:23 PM

Thanks for the holsters pictures. It a wonderful holster.
I think that J. Burgen is definite L.Ritgen.
Some of the holsters on the photos are not mine; some photos are from my achive.

Norme · 04-30-2011, 05:01 PM

Hi Klaus, I will change J.Burgen to L. Ritgen as you suggested. The illustration in "The Pistole Parabellum" is indistinct, and I think Sturgess may have misread it. Thanks for all your help. Best regards, Norm

Jim_R · 05-08-2011, 09:47 PM

I have one holster that seems to be marked B. Wiedermann at Berlin N.39.

Norme · 05-08-2011, 09:59 PM

Hi Jim, Thanks for that hitherto unknown Navy holster maker. Can you post photos of the holster and the makers's mark? Regards, Norm

Jim_R · 05-08-2011, 10:07 PM

I will try to take pictures. The maker is extremely difficult to read.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-09-2011, 12:04 PM

Norm, Do you have a closer photo of the knot on the end of your brown Navy pull-up strap? I have seen some very different types on Navy holsters..this is one I might not have come accross?
Thanks, Jerry Burney

Norme · 05-09-2011, 03:18 PM

Hi Jerry, Do these help? Best regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 05-09-2011, 03:28 PM

Norm, Yes! Exactly! Now I have one other question..is the strap on the inside of the holster overyly long? I have worked on a Navy holster recently where it was pointed as yours is and there was no knot. The strap hung out of the holster for 4-5 inches. Actually tucked into the closure tab of the closure strap. It was also a type 2 holster as I remember.

Jerry Burney

Norme · 05-09-2011, 04:10 PM

Hi Jerry, It's hard to measure the pull up strap accurately. When I pull it out as far as it will go, it protrudes 7". It doesn't seem noticeably longer than the strap on my Type 1 holster. Best regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 05-09-2011, 04:25 PM

Norm, It sounds like your pull-up is normal the way it is...Pointed and tied into an unusual knot..One I have not come accross. Nothing normal about Navy holsters!

Thanks, Jerry

klaus 3338 · 05-10-2011, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_R

I will try to take pictures. The maker is extremely difficult to read.

You read it correct.

04-29-2011, 07:45 AM	#2
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Norn, nice idea- Thanks fot the list. I have same questions and some photos. I have not seen a A. Dahl Navy holster- can I see a photo please? I have only seen Navy mag. pouches of ALBERT MÖLLER D´dorf ? Please write ED. MOZER KARLSRUHE and F. J. DANIEL BÜHL I/B Is it possible that J. BUGEN is L. RITGEN KARLSRUHE? I never saw a holster of Tilman Berlin- can I see a photo please? Same with Joseph Schwartz and Kersten. I´m living 20 kilometer from Crefeld (now Krefeld)- it would be nice to see a holster. Please write M.OSWALD Karlsruhe and Stegmann & Bussau HAMBURG I know RICH. MÖLLER ELBERFELD; SATTLER GEN. DÜSSELDORF and H.Müller & Co Offenbach i.B. (the last made mag. pouches) Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

04-29-2011, 09:08 AM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Klaus, Thanks for all that additional information, I'll send you the updated list, as part of the soon to be released "Navy List, V". I only have two photos to share, they are of holsters I own. As for the others you asked about, I'll give you references in a few days. Some of them were illustrated in books. Best regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

04-29-2011, 01:55 PM	#4
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Your second holster is the best I ever saw. I have a few pics more. But they are well known makers. No. 16 is LOH SÖHNE ACT.GES. BERLIN Attached Thumbnails

04-29-2011, 02:58 PM	#5
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Thanks for those pictures, Klaus, you truly have an amazing holster collection. I'm enclosing two more photos of my Wilh. Doll holster. It's the best one I've seen, also. With regard to your questions, I unfortunately did not note down where I saw the holsters on my list (I will from now on). An A. Dahl/Barmen holster is pictured in "Imperial Lugers" by Jan Still on page 190. An Albert Möller/Dusseldorf Type 1 holster,and an L.Bugen/Karlsruhe Type 2 are illustrated in the new Görtz/Sturgess book "Pistole Parabellum". If you don't already have this book, you should get it. It's coverage of holsters and accessories is superb and the illustrations are wonderful. Best regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

05-08-2011, 09:47 PM	#8
Jim_R User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 7 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Navy Holster I have one holster that seems to be marked B. Wiedermann at Berlin N.39.

04-30-2011, 03:23 PM	#6
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Thanks for the holsters pictures. It a wonderful holster. I think that J. Burgen is definite L.Ritgen. Some of the holsters on the photos are not mine; some photos are from my achive.

04-30-2011, 05:01 PM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Klaus, I will change J.Burgen to L. Ritgen as you suggested. The illustration in "The Pistole Parabellum" is indistinct, and I think Sturgess may have misread it. Thanks for all your help. Best regards, Norm

05-08-2011, 09:59 PM	#9
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jim, Thanks for that hitherto unknown Navy holster maker. Can you post photos of the holster and the makers's mark? Regards, Norm

05-08-2011, 10:07 PM	#10
Jim_R User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 7 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Navy Holster I will try to take pictures. The maker is extremely difficult to read.

05-09-2011, 12:04 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Norm, Do you have a closer photo of the knot on the end of your brown Navy pull-up strap? I have seen some very different types on Navy holsters..this is one I might not have come accross? Thanks, Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-09-2011, 03:18 PM	#12
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jerry, Do these help? Best regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

05-09-2011, 03:28 PM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Norm, Yes! Exactly! Now I have one other question..is the strap on the inside of the holster overyly long? I have worked on a Navy holster recently where it was pointed as yours is and there was no knot. The strap hung out of the holster for 4-5 inches. Actually tucked into the closure tab of the closure strap. It was also a type 2 holster as I remember. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-09-2011, 04:10 PM	#14
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jerry, It's hard to measure the pull up strap accurately. When I pull it out as far as it will go, it protrudes 7". It doesn't seem noticeably longer than the strap on my Type 1 holster. Best regards, Norm

05-09-2011, 04:25 PM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Norm, It sounds like your pull-up is normal the way it is...Pointed and tied into an unusual knot..One I have not come accross. Nothing normal about Navy holsters! Thanks, Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."