Help Identifying 1 Luger

enumclawshooter · 05-09-2011, 11:29 PM

I have an opportunity to buy my first Luger (7.65)and would like some help identifying it and what would be a fair price to offer. All numbers seem to match except the mag.
Here's some pics

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Thanks for your help.

DavidJayUden · 05-10-2011, 12:12 AM

Looks like a nice gun. Can you tell if the stock lug has been ground off or was there ever one on the rear grip strap? Value depends on that answer. Front sight is wrong, and generally these commercials are not highly collectable. The .30 cal. issue is also a problem as it detracts from it as a shooter. Unless I'm missing something here I'd want to be into it well south of $600.
dju

enumclawshooter · 05-10-2011, 12:27 AM

Thanks Dave, Here's a pic of the grip, I don't really know what to look for if the lugs were ground off.

DavidJayUden · 05-10-2011, 12:31 AM

She's looking ground off to me. I'd stay away from it unless the price is $450 or less.
But then I'm cheap...
dju

jamese · 05-10-2011, 06:23 AM

It looks like the lug has been ground off, agree $400 - $500 range
will only be a shooter

Jim

John Sabato · 05-10-2011, 09:45 AM

The stock lug was most definitely ground off, and not very cleanly. It is a shooter only. No significant historical value that I can see. The price range quoted by Jamese is appropriate.

Edward Tinker · 05-10-2011, 12:46 PM

All I can say is, that welcome to the forum!

My grandfather and Grandmother lived in Enumclaw and my dad lived there for a while

Ed

Olle · 05-10-2011, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamese

It looks like the lug has been ground off, agree $400 - $500 range
will only be a shooter

Jim

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but where do you guys find $400 Lugers? You can run into occasional bargains for sure, but to me it seems like the going rate for shooters is from $600-$700 and up.

The cheapest one I have found so far was a Duracoted DWM for $600, any other shooter has been $700 and up, even here on the forum. Have never been able to haggle my way down any further than that.

Edward Tinker · 05-10-2011, 03:12 PM

It is a 30 luger, thus harder to sell. Also, on the forum, you see that many of the folks who quote prices own more than a handful of lugers, so to them, that is what it is worth and they would be willing to pay for it.

i think $500-600, but more than that and you'd have trouble selling it.

Ed

Olle · 05-10-2011, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Also, on the forum, you see that many of the folks who quote prices own more than a handful of lugers, so to them, that is what it is worth and they would be willing to pay for it.

True, those who already have what they need won't pay much at all. For example, I have as many AR-15s as I need so I would only pay rock bottom prices to get another one. On top of that I'm a cheapskate and I want to leave as much marigin for resale as possible, so it really has to be dirt cheap for me to buy. Still, I don't really see the prices I'm willing to pay as fair and correct market values.

enumclawshooter · 05-10-2011, 05:02 PM

Thanks for the input guys. What info can you tell me on the serial # and is that a n under it?

FNorm · 05-10-2011, 06:09 PM

I think your 'N' is a 'P'. the P block was made the last 3/4 of 1926 and a bit into 1927. With your low ser. no. I'd guess about the middle of 1926.

FT

enumclawshooter · 05-10-2011, 11:11 PM

Thanks for all the input. I am buying this from a family member. The owner was my uncle(recently passed)and I am buying it from my aunt so I want to pay a fair price. This being said what do you think a fair price would be?

Edward Tinker · 05-11-2011, 05:03 AM

He did give an answer, most was meant in fun, although David it did not sound very nice.

I and others gave values above, if you don't like them, then use your own values.

$500 is a fair value.

PLEASE PLAY NICE

And I despise photobucket, almost guarantee that these photos won't stay on the website, the owner (you or others) almost always delete them, thus making the entire thread meaningless.

mrerick · 05-11-2011, 11:07 AM

At a show in the SouthEast, I paid $625 for an unmodified .30 Luger DWM Alphabet Commercial 2 years ago in about 95% condition with correct magazine.

The combination of the ground lug, modified sight and finish condition puts it in the $450 range in my opinion. It's also got the left grip "chip" at the safety, broken when it was disassembled at one point.

Prices have softened in the past couple of years.

BTW, from what I can see of the magazine base, it's not contemporary with the pistol, but from a later period. The aluminum base magazines can vary in value from $150 to much more depending on many things. Please let us see a photo of it including the base and both sides. It may, in fact, add to the value of the package.

You'll get better pictures if you take them without a flash, and in indirect (shaded) sunlight.

Marc

AMBROLA · 08-07-2011, 09:47 AM

The guy has 5 post, and jumps on an old timmer?? He is gone and forgotten in my book. Got more info than he deserved!!

hgreer2 · 08-07-2011, 01:05 PM

The sight appears to be a marble, better than the original for a shooter.

Harry

Doubs · 08-07-2011, 02:39 PM

WRT a .30 being less desirable, it likely boils down to the cost of ammunition if you don't reload for it. Personally, I'm a huge fan of the .30 Luger and own many pistols in that chambering. It's accurate, feeds reliably and loaded with a hollow point is a very wicked cartridge. I'm happy to pay less for a Luger in that caliber.

Back about 1989 I found an Erfurt Luger that had been reworked after WW1. It matched completely except for the replacement .30 caliber barrel. I gave it to my father who has since passed away and it's once again in my possession. I loaded some cartridges for him including ball and soft-nose hollow points. One Summer evening he and my brother were in the backyard sitting under a shade tree when my father saw a groundhog slowly coming their way and acting strangely. He handed the Erfurt to my brother and told him to dispose of it as they suspected it was rabid.

The first cartridge was ball and passed through without much effect. The second cartridge was a soft-nose hollow point and it turned the groundhog inside out.

For some years I used .223 cases to make .30 Luger cases and they worked fine but there's no reason to do that now. The cases are readily available and reloading them is as easy as any other pistol cartridge.

sheepherder · 08-07-2011, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMBROLA

The guy has 5 post, and jumps on an old timmer?? He is gone and forgotten in my book. Got more info than he deserved!!

I guess I missed something here, as there's no 'jumping' post left...I suppose Ed deleted it...

My own personal feeling is that any Luger with a ground off lug is a parts Luger...

$450 sounds about right...

05-09-2011, 11:29 PM	#1
enumclawshooter New User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Help Identifying 1 Luger I have an opportunity to buy my first Luger (7.65)and would like some help identifying it and what would be a fair price to offer. All numbers seem to match except the mag. Here's some pics [IMG][/IMG] Thanks for your help.

05-10-2011, 06:23 AM	#5
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	It looks like the lug has been ground off, agree $400 - $500 range will only be a shooter Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

05-10-2011, 09:45 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	The stock lug was most definitely ground off, and not very cleanly. It is a shooter only. No significant historical value that I can see. The price range quoted by Jamese is appropriate. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-10-2011, 12:46 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	All I can say is, that welcome to the forum! My grandfather and Grandmother lived in Enumclaw and my dad lived there for a while Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-10-2011, 03:12 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	It is a 30 luger, thus harder to sell. Also, on the forum, you see that many of the folks who quote prices own more than a handful of lugers, so to them, that is what it is worth and they would be willing to pay for it. i think $500-600, but more than that and you'd have trouble selling it. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-10-2011, 12:12 AM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Looks like a nice gun. Can you tell if the stock lug has been ground off or was there ever one on the rear grip strap? Value depends on that answer. Front sight is wrong, and generally these commercials are not highly collectable. The .30 cal. issue is also a problem as it detracts from it as a shooter. Unless I'm missing something here I'd want to be into it well south of $600. dju

05-10-2011, 12:27 AM	#3
enumclawshooter New User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Dave, Here's a pic of the grip, I don't really know what to look for if the lugs were ground off.

05-10-2011, 12:31 AM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	She's looking ground off to me. I'd stay away from it unless the price is $450 or less. But then I'm cheap... dju

05-10-2011, 05:02 PM	#11
enumclawshooter New User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the input guys. What info can you tell me on the serial # and is that a n under it?

05-10-2011, 06:09 PM	#12
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	I think your 'N' is a 'P'. the P block was made the last 3/4 of 1926 and a bit into 1927. With your low ser. no. I'd guess about the middle of 1926. FT

05-10-2011, 11:11 PM	#13
enumclawshooter New User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the input. I am buying this from a family member. The owner was my uncle(recently passed)and I am buying it from my aunt so I want to pay a fair price. This being said what do you think a fair price would be?

05-11-2011, 05:03 AM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	He did give an answer, most was meant in fun, although David it did not sound very nice. I and others gave values above, if you don't like them, then use your own values. $500 is a fair value. PLEASE PLAY NICE And I despise photobucket, almost guarantee that these photos won't stay on the website, the owner (you or others) almost always delete them, thus making the entire thread meaningless. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-11-2011, 11:07 AM	#15
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	At a show in the SouthEast, I paid $625 for an unmodified .30 Luger DWM Alphabet Commercial 2 years ago in about 95% condition with correct magazine. The combination of the ground lug, modified sight and finish condition puts it in the $450 range in my opinion. It's also got the left grip "chip" at the safety, broken when it was disassembled at one point. Prices have softened in the past couple of years. BTW, from what I can see of the magazine base, it's not contemporary with the pistol, but from a later period. The aluminum base magazines can vary in value from $150 to much more depending on many things. Please let us see a photo of it including the base and both sides. It may, in fact, add to the value of the package. You'll get better pictures if you take them without a flash, and in indirect (shaded) sunlight. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

08-07-2011, 09:47 AM	#16
AMBROLA User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The guy has 5 post, and jumps on an old timmer?? He is gone and forgotten in my book. Got more info than he deserved!!

08-07-2011, 01:05 PM	#17
hgreer2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 309 Thanks: 1 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	The sight appears to be a marble, better than the original for a shooter. Harry

08-07-2011, 02:39 PM	#18
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	WRT a .30 being less desirable, it likely boils down to the cost of ammunition if you don't reload for it. Personally, I'm a huge fan of the .30 Luger and own many pistols in that chambering. It's accurate, feeds reliably and loaded with a hollow point is a very wicked cartridge. I'm happy to pay less for a Luger in that caliber. Back about 1989 I found an Erfurt Luger that had been reworked after WW1. It matched completely except for the replacement .30 caliber barrel. I gave it to my father who has since passed away and it's once again in my possession. I loaded some cartridges for him including ball and soft-nose hollow points. One Summer evening he and my brother were in the backyard sitting under a shade tree when my father saw a groundhog slowly coming their way and acting strangely. He handed the Erfurt to my brother and told him to dispose of it as they suspected it was rabid. The first cartridge was ball and passed through without much effect. The second cartridge was a soft-nose hollow point and it turned the groundhog inside out. For some years I used .223 cases to make .30 Luger cases and they worked fine but there's no reason to do that now. The cases are readily available and reloading them is as easy as any other pistol cartridge.