another listing for analysis

ithacaartist · 07-18-2011, 05:20 PM

This one http://www.gunsamerica.com//91493442...RCIAL.htm?wl=1 seems pretty reasonable to me for a purported collectible. But then again, I don't know everything...go figure. The offering has an inspection period, his other Lugers don't look like rip-offs, and it would fit my budget.
So, fellas, what's reality have to tell me, here? Anyone spot any red flags?
Thanks,
D.P.

alanint · 07-18-2011, 06:08 PM

No mystery, That's about market for an original finish DWM 1920 commertial in 7.65 mm.

DavidJayUden · 07-18-2011, 07:15 PM

Does that mag. base look correct? Anyway, IMHO the whole thing is no bargain.
For the money I like this one way more...
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=26556
dju

FNorm · 07-18-2011, 07:22 PM

The magazine does not appear to be original. Two pins, zig-zag spring (?) Strange indentations along the side. Different follower..

FN

lugerholsterrepair · 07-18-2011, 07:42 PM

As Fred points out the mag is a poorly made Mexican reproduction. The pistol in general has the blue washed out everywhere worse than washed out in places.. The grips are nicked and scratched...It is a $500 shooter IMO.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=26556

David shows the pistol you should be interested in. Yes it's a little more but in this case you wouldn't be wasting a thousand bucks.

dju

hgreer2 · 07-18-2011, 07:57 PM

IMHO it's a POS, save your hard earned money !!

Harry

alanint · 07-18-2011, 09:03 PM

I think you are being too hard on the gun. I agree that the mag is garbage but the gun is mostly suffering from way over exposed photography. Less bleached out photos would improve the look considerably. I think the blueing is mostly there.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-18-2011, 10:44 PM

Doug, Look at the right side of the reciever...all along the top the bluing is missing..you can see good blue below. You are being too generous..many commercials have good bluing because they were not military and hard used but I think the photograph on this one shows it like it is. The one shot the seller dosen't show is the grip straps and I bet they are in the white.

DavidJayUden · 07-19-2011, 12:47 AM

I think you are being too hard on the gun. I agree that the mag is garbage but the gun is mostly suffering from way over exposed photography. Less bleached out photos would improve the look considerably. I think the blueing is mostly there.

I'm not trying to be hard on the gun at all. It just seems to me that a .30 Commercial just pales in collectability and investment value up next to a fine WW1 service pistol. The difference in price could be the best money ever spent.
Again, just MHO.
dju

DaveinTN · 07-19-2011, 02:15 AM

Maybe it's the camera angle, but I don't see a lug to attach a stock.

sheepherder · 07-19-2011, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinTN

Maybe it's the camera angle, but I don't see a lug to attach a stock.

+ 1

POS is the correct assessment...

Mauser720 · 07-19-2011, 11:40 AM

Well, as Jerry has pointed out, by the time you pay for the shipping on this one, you are right at $1,000.00.

One thing to also consider is that this example is in 7.65mm and although that ammo is available, it is a lot more expensive that ordinary 9mm ammo.

You did not mention if you were going to actually shoot it; however, the cost and availability of the 7.65 ammo is something that bears consideration. IMHO

ithacaartist · 07-19-2011, 05:18 PM

Thanks, all, for your observations--oops, I didn't initially catch the ground off stock lug, and already have one with this issue. I'll be trying a couple different Lugers to define better just what I want to collect. Until that point arrives, I'm after shooters, for the experience each one can give me, good or bad. But I'm depending on the forum to help me not get burned too badly and hung in a gun I ultimately would want to pass on to another caregiver. I agree that Mike's Luger is a much better value

07-18-2011, 05:20 PM	#1
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	another listing for analysis This one http://www.gunsamerica.com//91493442...RCIAL.htm?wl=1 seems pretty reasonable to me for a purported collectible. But then again, I don't know everything...go figure. The offering has an inspection period, his other Lugers don't look like rip-offs, and it would fit my budget. So, fellas, what's reality have to tell me, here? Anyone spot any red flags? Thanks, D.P.

07-18-2011, 07:42 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	As Fred points out the mag is a poorly made Mexican reproduction. The pistol in general has the blue washed out everywhere worse than washed out in places.. The grips are nicked and scratched...It is a $500 shooter IMO. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=26556 David shows the pistol you should be interested in. Yes it's a little more but in this case you wouldn't be wasting a thousand bucks. dju __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-18-2011, 10:44 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Doug, Look at the right side of the reciever...all along the top the bluing is missing..you can see good blue below. You are being too generous..many commercials have good bluing because they were not military and hard used but I think the photograph on this one shows it like it is. The one shot the seller dosen't show is the grip straps and I bet they are in the white. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-19-2011, 11:40 AM	#12
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Well, as Jerry has pointed out, by the time you pay for the shipping on this one, you are right at $1,000.00. One thing to also consider is that this example is in 7.65mm and although that ammo is available, it is a lot more expensive that ordinary 9mm ammo. You did not mention if you were going to actually shoot it; however, the cost and availability of the 7.65 ammo is something that bears consideration. IMHO __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

07-18-2011, 06:08 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	No mystery, That's about market for an original finish DWM 1920 commertial in 7.65 mm.

07-18-2011, 07:15 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Does that mag. base look correct? Anyway, IMHO the whole thing is no bargain. For the money I like this one way more... http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=26556 dju

07-18-2011, 07:22 PM	#4
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	The magazine does not appear to be original. Two pins, zig-zag spring (?) Strange indentations along the side. Different follower.. FN

07-18-2011, 07:57 PM	#6
hgreer2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 309 Thanks: 1 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	IMHO it's a POS, save your hard earned money !! Harry

07-18-2011, 09:03 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I think you are being too hard on the gun. I agree that the mag is garbage but the gun is mostly suffering from way over exposed photography. Less bleached out photos would improve the look considerably. I think the blueing is mostly there.

07-19-2011, 12:47 AM	#9
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I think you are being too hard on the gun. I agree that the mag is garbage but the gun is mostly suffering from way over exposed photography. Less bleached out photos would improve the look considerably. I think the blueing is mostly there. I'm not trying to be hard on the gun at all. It just seems to me that a .30 Commercial just pales in collectability and investment value up next to a fine WW1 service pistol. The difference in price could be the best money ever spent. Again, just MHO. dju

07-19-2011, 02:15 AM	#10
DaveinTN User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 186 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	Maybe it's the camera angle, but I don't see a lug to attach a stock.

07-19-2011, 05:18 PM	#13
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Thanks, all, for your observations--oops, I didn't initially catch the ground off stock lug, and already have one with this issue. I'll be trying a couple different Lugers to define better just what I want to collect. Until that point arrives, I'm after shooters, for the experience each one can give me, good or bad. But I'm depending on the forum to help me not get burned too badly and hung in a gun I ultimately would want to pass on to another caregiver. I agree that Mike's Luger is a much better value