Navy Luger mag and duel pouch- new member help!

Russellmilitaria · 10-19-2011, 04:21 PM

Hi all,

I purchased this navy luger magazine and pouch in a bunch of German stuff, and just got to it earlier yesterday. The Magazine is a bit dirty but the spring works great, and interestingly enough the bottom is wood, marked: "2113"- the leather case is well worn but still supple, and has "1914" on the interior as well as some very faint writing I can't make out.

Could anyone help me by letting me know if its rare or what a fair price would be?

All help is greatly appriciated!

Norme · 10-19-2011, 05:33 PM

Hi Stu, Welcome to the forum! Both the magazine and the pouch look to be the real deal, and yes, they're both rare, particularly the pouch. As you noted, both items have condition issues, but the magazine is still worth $200.00, and the pouch $350.00 or so. Regards, Norm

Russellmilitaria · 10-19-2011, 09:24 PM

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the magazine is still worth $200.00, and the pouch $350.00 or so.

Oh wow, thanks Norme for the info and the welcome! I don't need them so I might put them up for trade on here (I collect commonwealth medals and German helmets), luger accessories are not my thing though I run into lugers occasionally and think they are stunning weapons.

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Ron Wood · 10-19-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

the pouch $350.00 or so

Wow! What would an excellent example go for?

Norme · 10-19-2011, 10:50 PM

Hi Ron, I'd happily pay $500.00 for a genuine Type 1 Navy pouch in good plus condition. Regards, Norm

DavidJayUden · 10-19-2011, 11:10 PM

Off the top of my head it appears the same as I have seen on Artillery rigs. What is the difference?
dju

Norme · 10-19-2011, 11:27 PM

Hi David, They are identical except for the belt/shoulder strap attachment on the back. The Artillery pouch is worn on the belt, the Navy on the shoulder strap, as shown. Regards, Norm

sheepherder · 10-20-2011, 08:03 AM

This is the first I have seen/read of separate magazine pouches [separate from holster] for the military...Were they limited to WW I service???

Ron Wood · 10-20-2011, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by postino

This is the first I have seen/read of separate magazine pouches [separate from holster] for the military...Were they limited to WW I service???

The German issue were WWI as far as I know. The Portuguese and Dutch used them well into the 1930s.

DavidJayUden · 10-20-2011, 05:12 PM

Interesting, as I have a matching arty. rig with that pouch on the strap, vertically as shown here. But it could have been substituted anywhere along the line. I do appreciate that $500 figure, however.
dju

DavidJayUden · 10-20-2011, 05:15 PM

Also, if you check his photo of the back, the belt loop is attached in a way that will accomodate straps either vertically or horizontally.
dju

Ron Wood · 10-20-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Interesting, as I have a matching arty. rig with that pouch on the strap, vertically as shown here. But it could have been substituted anywhere along the line. I do appreciate that $500 figure, however.
dju

The differentiating factor between a $250 pouch and a $500 pouch however is the little Crown/M on the inside of the flap (it is on rough leather and may be hard to see, but that mark makes it a Navy). The devil (dollars) is in the details.

Norme · 10-20-2011, 08:24 PM

OK, Here's where it get's complicated. The genuine Navy pouch can be worn along the shoulder strap, or, if there's more than one, stacked on the shoulder strap slanted towards the right. This is accomplished By having the side opening stitches uneven in length. The enclosed photo is of a Type 1 (shoulder strap) pouch that has been converted for belt wear by opening up the stitches at the sides and sewing up the top. You can see from the original stitch holes, how a strap entering from the side, would be angled. If the stitch lines on both sides were the same length, it would be a Portuguese pouch and worth much less. If such a pouch were to bear a C/M Naval mark, it would be an outright fake, like the one sold on Ebay a couple of weeks ago. As Ron said, the Devil's in the details. Regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 10-20-2011, 09:36 PM

I have several original Imperial Navy pouches and would not consider $500 even a starting offer. Of course condition is a factor. There is one offered recently for $350 I wouldn't have in my collection. It's just too far gone. They are rather rare though..

10-19-2011, 04:21 PM	#1
Russellmilitaria New User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Navy Luger mag and duel pouch- new member help! Hi all, I purchased this navy luger magazine and pouch in a bunch of German stuff, and just got to it earlier yesterday. The Magazine is a bit dirty but the spring works great, and interestingly enough the bottom is wood, marked: "2113"- the leather case is well worn but still supple, and has "1914" on the interior as well as some very faint writing I can't make out. Could anyone help me by letting me know if its rare or what a fair price would be? All help is greatly appriciated!

10-19-2011, 11:27 PM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi David, They are identical except for the belt/shoulder strap attachment on the back. The Artillery pouch is worn on the belt, the Navy on the shoulder strap, as shown. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

10-20-2011, 08:03 AM	#8
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	This is the first I have seen/read of separate magazine pouches [separate from holster] for the military...Were they limited to WW I service??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

10-20-2011, 08:24 PM	#13
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	OK, Here's where it get's complicated. The genuine Navy pouch can be worn along the shoulder strap, or, if there's more than one, stacked on the shoulder strap slanted towards the right. This is accomplished By having the side opening stitches uneven in length. The enclosed photo is of a Type 1 (shoulder strap) pouch that has been converted for belt wear by opening up the stitches at the sides and sewing up the top. You can see from the original stitch holes, how a strap entering from the side, would be angled. If the stitch lines on both sides were the same length, it would be a Portuguese pouch and worth much less. If such a pouch were to bear a C/M Naval mark, it would be an outright fake, like the one sold on Ebay a couple of weeks ago. As Ron said, the Devil's in the details. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

10-20-2011, 09:36 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	I have several original Imperial Navy pouches and would not consider $500 even a starting offer. Of course condition is a factor. There is one offered recently for $350 I wouldn't have in my collection. It's just too far gone. They are rather rare though.. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-19-2011, 05:33 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Stu, Welcome to the forum! Both the magazine and the pouch look to be the real deal, and yes, they're both rare, particularly the pouch. As you noted, both items have condition issues, but the magazine is still worth $200.00, and the pouch $350.00 or so. Regards, Norm

10-19-2011, 10:50 PM	#5
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Ron, I'd happily pay $500.00 for a genuine Type 1 Navy pouch in good plus condition. Regards, Norm

10-19-2011, 11:10 PM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Off the top of my head it appears the same as I have seen on Artillery rigs. What is the difference? dju

10-20-2011, 05:12 PM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Interesting, as I have a matching arty. rig with that pouch on the strap, vertically as shown here. But it could have been substituted anywhere along the line. I do appreciate that $500 figure, however. dju

10-20-2011, 05:15 PM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Also, if you check his photo of the back, the belt loop is attached in a way that will accomodate straps either vertically or horizontally. dju