Commercial "Banner" 1937

Alx · 09-08-2012, 01:28 PM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=304177988

There are some details about this Luger that don't seem right, don't seem original, but would appreciate some further expert evaluation.

Sideplate finish looks different than adjacent frame ?
Safety lever finish not strawed ?
Blue ( especially on frame ) appears to be the thinner salt-blue characteristic of late WW2, not the rust-blue I thought belongs on this gun.

What do you think about it ?

mrerick · 09-08-2012, 05:17 PM

The trigger plate looks like it's had different wear than the nearby receiver.

1937 was a year of transition, and included both strawed and salt blued trigger and safety lever parts. Likewise, some pistols were salt blued, and others rust blued.

What bothers me more is the contour and profile of the safety lever, which appears to have been ground down and re-numbered.

Here (by reference to the ad) is the lever on the pistol that is for sale:

Here's one of my Mauser Lugers (below)... You can see (above) where the top layer of the lever has been removed toward the end on the for sale Luger...

Marc

skeeter4206 · 09-08-2012, 07:19 PM

Im curious on that safety, as the crown on the one for sale is curved and the other looks flat. Is that just an optical illusion with picture or is that what Im seeing?

Alx · 09-08-2012, 07:36 PM

To me, the subscript bloc letter w looks too large and deeply stamped, compared to most I have seen, and the frame's curve there looks re-radiused, like a renumbered frame, maybe.

alanint · 09-09-2012, 08:53 AM

I agree that the safety lever has been grouned and re numbered. The seven is original and a six or eight was removed and replaced with the nine.

09-08-2012, 01:28 PM	#1
Alx User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nashville, Tennessee area Posts: 263 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Commercial "Banner" 1937 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=304177988 There are some details about this Luger that don't seem right, don't seem original, but would appreciate some further expert evaluation. Sideplate finish looks different than adjacent frame ? Safety lever finish not strawed ? Blue ( especially on frame ) appears to be the thinner salt-blue characteristic of late WW2, not the rust-blue I thought belongs on this gun. What do you think about it ?

09-08-2012, 05:17 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	The trigger plate looks like it's had different wear than the nearby receiver. 1937 was a year of transition, and included both strawed and salt blued trigger and safety lever parts. Likewise, some pistols were salt blued, and others rust blued. What bothers me more is the contour and profile of the safety lever, which appears to have been ground down and re-numbered. Here (by reference to the ad) is the lever on the pistol that is for sale: Here's one of my Mauser Lugers (below)... You can see (above) where the top layer of the lever has been removed toward the end on the for sale Luger... Marc Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-08-2012, 07:19 PM	#3
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Im curious on that safety, as the crown on the one for sale is curved and the other looks flat. Is that just an optical illusion with picture or is that what Im seeing?

09-08-2012, 07:36 PM	#4
Alx User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nashville, Tennessee area Posts: 263 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	To me, the subscript bloc letter w looks too large and deeply stamped, compared to most I have seen, and the frame's curve there looks re-radiused, like a renumbered frame, maybe.

09-09-2012, 08:53 AM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I agree that the safety lever has been grouned and re numbered. The seven is original and a six or eight was removed and replaced with the nine.