I think i found a navy flight jacket

cirelaw · 10-07-2012, 04:13 PM

I think I found a Navy flight jacket to be displayed moms Eric Sloan watercolor in pencil of Grummans navy flyer whose reputation during the battle of Midway was legendary. It took me 20 years to examine the colar. I'm sure one of our friend will bring back memories.

alanint · 10-07-2012, 05:30 PM

Eric,
What you have is a fairly early M-422, which predates the later G-1 Navy jacket. Yours is of WW2 vintage. Although in approximately the correct color, yours has been relined, with possibly replaced cuffs, waistband and zipper. These repairs don't affect its value too much, since what collectors are after is the leather and insignia.
Is the zipper a Talon? Can you tell us who the jacket is named to on the nameplate?

It is in nice, wearable overall condition for a jacket this age.

cirelaw · 10-07-2012, 05:54 PM

During Law School at Villanova I bought the entire collection over 20 pieces. This was the only leather. I got the urge to check it because of my Eric Sloan Grumman f4f and watching the Battle of Midway my hearts go out then.I take a picture of the grouping.I can always depend on You! It does have a nameplate which is had to see. Ill take it out side for more light. The bplot thickens! I have to clear up for me to take outside Eric

tomaustin · 10-07-2012, 06:12 PM

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tomaustin · 10-07-2012, 06:15 PM

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cirelaw · 10-07-2012, 06:21 PM

WOW YOU GUYS ARE SO COOL! I'm a History Major. Maybe we can track him or his family down and return their jacket!!!

MFC · 10-07-2012, 08:40 PM

My first impression was JOHN BRYARS

Neil Young · 10-07-2012, 09:14 PM

I think there is a R at the end, so USMCR.

cirelaw · 10-07-2012, 10:13 PM

It would be great if it belonged to one of own family or kin!!!!!

hansfischer007 · 10-08-2012, 11:02 AM

For a number of years I have had a table at our twice a year Military Show......due to 2 heart attacks and heart surgery have now opted out this year.....anyway......last year at our Spring show.....had an elderly gentleman come by with a WW2 Flight jacket....with hand painted aircraft on the back...still had the pilots wings on front...along with all the patches......said he wanted to sell it...during our conversation..he said it was his during WW2 as he was a pilot on a B-24......so it upset me that he would sell it...and I asked if he didnt have a son that would want it...or a grand son or daughter or grand daughter..??....he said not a single person in his family wanted anything to do with that "old war stuff"....one of our members collects the pilots jackets and I knew he would treat him right on the price...so i pointed him out.....approximately half an hour later he came by....thanked me.......and left the show.........sad....but thats the way it goes now.......... Hans Fischer

cirelaw · 10-08-2012, 11:12 AM

Its amazing how ww2 artifacts are coming to surface. Its probobly because like your grandchildren have little interest in the "old" stuff!. We owe it to Ed and his Bring Back books provide a timely reference. This applys to lugers even more!! Buy it or Regret it! I bought these years ago. I don't know just how old they are. I appreciate any input!!

alanint · 10-08-2012, 05:05 PM

The Nameplate on this jacket has either been cut down or may be non regulation. It may also have belonged to someone who did not have flight status.

The Navy lightweight "Flying Jackets" were actually originally issued as "Deck Jackets" and were adopted by pilots for the warmth and prestige. Pilots would of course have Navy wings on the nameplate, (USMC pilots used the same flight wings as Navy Pilots, with "USMC" under the name to designate the seperate branch of service). This jacket may have been issued to a deck or flight line officer who would need a warm jacket but who was not flight certified.

cirelaw · 10-08-2012, 05:17 PM

I think your right. Someone probobly got it for his girlfriend!

10-07-2012, 04:13 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I think i found a navy flight jacket I think I found a Navy flight jacket to be displayed moms Eric Sloan watercolor in pencil of Grummans navy flyer whose reputation during the battle of Midway was legendary. It took me 20 years to examine the colar. I'm sure one of our friend will bring back memories. Attached Thumbnails

10-07-2012, 05:54 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	During Law School at Villanova I bought the entire collection over 20 pieces. This was the only leather. I got the urge to check it because of my Eric Sloan Grumman f4f and watching the Battle of Midway my hearts go out then.I take a picture of the grouping.I can always depend on You! It does have a nameplate which is had to see. Ill take it out side for more light. The bplot thickens! I have to clear up for me to take outside Eric Attached Thumbnails

10-07-2012, 06:12 PM	#4
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	JOHN BRYANS........the name on the tag... ..

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tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	USMC ----- second line ..

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MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	My first impression was JOHN BRYARS __________________ Mike C.

10-07-2012, 05:30 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Eric, What you have is a fairly early M-422, which predates the later G-1 Navy jacket. Yours is of WW2 vintage. Although in approximately the correct color, yours has been relined, with possibly replaced cuffs, waistband and zipper. These repairs don't affect its value too much, since what collectors are after is the leather and insignia. Is the zipper a Talon? Can you tell us who the jacket is named to on the nameplate? It is in nice, wearable overall condition for a jacket this age.

10-07-2012, 06:21 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	WOW YOU GUYS ARE SO COOL! I'm a History Major. Maybe we can track him or his family down and return their jacket!!!

10-07-2012, 09:14 PM	#8
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 546 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	I think there is a R at the end, so USMCR. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

10-07-2012, 10:13 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	It would be great if it belonged to one of own family or kin!!!!!

10-08-2012, 11:02 AM	#10
hansfischer007 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sunny Tennessee Posts: 233 Thanks: 509 Thanked 96 Times in 48 Posts	WW2 Flight Jackets For a number of years I have had a table at our twice a year Military Show......due to 2 heart attacks and heart surgery have now opted out this year.....anyway......last year at our Spring show.....had an elderly gentleman come by with a WW2 Flight jacket....with hand painted aircraft on the back...still had the pilots wings on front...along with all the patches......said he wanted to sell it...during our conversation..he said it was his during WW2 as he was a pilot on a B-24......so it upset me that he would sell it...and I asked if he didnt have a son that would want it...or a grand son or daughter or grand daughter..??....he said not a single person in his family wanted anything to do with that "old war stuff"....one of our members collects the pilots jackets and I knew he would treat him right on the price...so i pointed him out.....approximately half an hour later he came by....thanked me.......and left the show.........sad....but thats the way it goes now.......... Hans Fischer

10-08-2012, 11:12 AM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Its amazing how ww2 artifacts are coming to surface. Its probobly because like your grandchildren have little interest in the "old" stuff!. We owe it to Ed and his Bring Back books provide a timely reference. This applys to lugers even more!! Buy it or Regret it! I bought these years ago. I don't know just how old they are. I appreciate any input!! Attached Thumbnails

10-08-2012, 05:05 PM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The Nameplate on this jacket has either been cut down or may be non regulation. It may also have belonged to someone who did not have flight status. The Navy lightweight "Flying Jackets" were actually originally issued as "Deck Jackets" and were adopted by pilots for the warmth and prestige. Pilots would of course have Navy wings on the nameplate, (USMC pilots used the same flight wings as Navy Pilots, with "USMC" under the name to designate the seperate branch of service). This jacket may have been issued to a deck or flight line officer who would need a warm jacket but who was not flight certified.

10-08-2012, 05:17 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I think your right. Someone probobly got it for his girlfriend!