Another pesky "what have I got thread.

Iggy · 11-21-2012, 09:24 PM

Howdy,
I recently purchased what I think is a 1920's commercial model in .30 Luger.

I think it is one of the alphabet series, but I'm not sure just what that means.

Anyway I have a couple of pictures.

Serial number on the front of the frame and the bottom of the barrel is 2026. 26 is visible on several of the various parts including the back the the toggle mechanism below the rear sight, the side of the "bolt?" , the take down lever.

There is a Crown N on the frame ahead of the trigger plate, and on the underside of the barrel.

On the barrel also is the serial number, and a small cursive K
The K is also located below the serial number on the front of the frame.

The gun came with a unblued magazine. Issue? and a blued probably aftermarket mag.

I have always wanted a Luger since I got an aluminum one probably intended as a holster form when I was about 12 yers old.

Stumbled onto this one in a pawn shop for what I hope was a reasonable price. Now I want to know I have acquired.

Thanks ahead of time for any info you folks can provide.

Regards,
Iggy

lugerholsterrepair · 11-21-2012, 09:26 PM

There is a Crown N on the frame ahead of the trigger plate, and on the underside of the barrel.

Yes..the mark of a commercial pistol.

The gun came with a unblued magazine. Issue? and a blued probably aftermarket mag. Might be original..may we see it?

Iggy · 11-21-2012, 09:31 PM

Wow, that was quick. I'll have to take a picture.. BRB

Edward Tinker · 11-21-2012, 09:36 PM

take pictures of straight on front of frame, each side showing markings

Welcome to the forum!

Value, well, how much did you pay? 7.65mm lugers can be $750-$1600 if in mint condition... most closer to 1k

Iggy · 11-21-2012, 09:36 PM

Mags.

Iggy · 11-21-2012, 10:04 PM

Sorry for the quality of the last one. Was gonna take another and my batteries pooped out.

Roll marks on the barrel are Crown over N
Serial number. Same as on the frame
and the small "K"

Crown over N on the surface ahead of the trigger plate.

Only other markings visible are the last two digits of the serial number on various parts.

Sure appreciate the responses.

Iggy · 11-22-2012, 12:44 PM

Wow, lots of information available about Lugers. The more I read the more I am intrigued by this gun.

I had no idea it was as old as it is. Other than various black powder guns etc., this is the oldest gun I have acquired.

Durn it, looks like I'm in danger of a new addiction.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-22-2012, 01:30 PM

Mag on left..blued is a Triple K aftermarket shooter mag. $25 mag on the right is a period original. Any markings on the bottom of the wood? Bad thing about it some Bubba put in an extra pin and pretty much buggered it up with what appears to be solder?
Last pic shows nice halo's around the serial numbers indicating original finish.
Ed is right on the money
Yes..your doomed..like potato chips..can"t just have one!

Iggy · 11-22-2012, 01:38 PM

Thanks for the info. I was pretty sure the finish was original. I paid $735 OTD for it.
At least it looks like I didn't get "took" too bad.
No markings on the wood on the mag.

I looked at the data sheets until my eyes crossed. Anyway to narrow the manufacture date down a bit more for the "K" series guns?

Based on what you can see, what do you think it might be worth? Gotta write something down in the book for the family in case I croak tomorrow.

Lugerdoc · 11-22-2012, 01:49 PM

Assuming all the numbered parts match and the bore is shiny, $750 would be about top dollar with the new repro grips and one orig mag. Tom

Ice · 11-22-2012, 02:04 PM

Iggy, I seem to recognize you from the S&W forum. Welcome to the wonderful world of Lugers. There are as many Luger variations as there are Smith models and all are interesting. Good to see ya.

Charlie

Iggy · 11-22-2012, 02:57 PM

Lugerdoc,

Thanks for the info. What is the clue to the grips being repros?

Ice,
Yup, I hang out there a bit. Good to see you too.

MFC · 11-22-2012, 04:22 PM

According to Jan Still's Weimar Lugers, Alphabet DWM commercial S#2026k was made in early 1922.
Welcome to the addiction.

Iggy · 11-22-2012, 04:41 PM

MFC,

Wow, that's great.

Thank you very much.

That's for the information, not your contribution to the addiction...

Ben M. · 11-22-2012, 05:02 PM

Iggy, you will go into some shock when buying 30 luger ammo if you plan to shoot it.

Iggy · 11-22-2012, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben M.

Iggy, you will go into some shock when buying 30 luger ammo if you plan to shoot it.

Yeah, I found some on sale on the net for about $.40 cents a round.

I haven't made up my mind about shootin' the ol hoss or not.

Right now, honorable retirement seems appropriate.

rhuff · 11-22-2012, 06:27 PM

Welcome to the forum. You acquired what appears to be a nice condition alphabet Luger. I also own one, and really enjoy it. The problem with these lugers is one leads to two, then three..... You can see the pattern developing here. Perhaps it won't happen to you, but it sure did with me, and I purchased my first one in 1971!!

Iggy · 11-22-2012, 10:44 PM

Yeah, I am familiar with the pattern. Been there with S&W's. I fought it there and lost too.

drbuster · 11-23-2012, 02:00 AM

The island on the side plate looks rather large compared to other lugers. I wonder if the side plate number matches the rest of the gun. Look on the bottom surface.

Dwight Gruber · 11-23-2012, 03:11 AM

Doc, good catch. The sideplate appears to be of East Grman manufacture.

--Dwight

11-21-2012, 09:24 PM	#1
Iggy User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Another pesky "what have I got thread. Howdy, I recently purchased what I think is a 1920's commercial model in .30 Luger. I think it is one of the alphabet series, but I'm not sure just what that means. Anyway I have a couple of pictures. Serial number on the front of the frame and the bottom of the barrel is 2026. 26 is visible on several of the various parts including the back the the toggle mechanism below the rear sight, the side of the "bolt?" , the take down lever. There is a Crown N on the frame ahead of the trigger plate, and on the underside of the barrel. On the barrel also is the serial number, and a small cursive K The K is also located below the serial number on the front of the frame. The gun came with a unblued magazine. Issue? and a blued probably aftermarket mag. I have always wanted a Luger since I got an aluminum one probably intended as a holster form when I was about 12 yers old. Stumbled onto this one in a pawn shop for what I hope was a reasonable price. Now I want to know I have acquired. Thanks ahead of time for any info you folks can provide. Regards, Iggy

11-21-2012, 09:36 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	take pictures of straight on front of frame, each side showing markings Welcome to the forum! Value, well, how much did you pay? 7.65mm lugers can be $750-$1600 if in mint condition... most closer to 1k __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-22-2012, 01:30 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Mag on left..blued is a Triple K aftermarket shooter mag. $25 mag on the right is a period original. Any markings on the bottom of the wood? Bad thing about it some Bubba put in an extra pin and pretty much buggered it up with what appears to be solder? Last pic shows nice halo's around the serial numbers indicating original finish. Ed is right on the money Yes..your doomed..like potato chips..can"t just have one! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-22-2012, 01:49 PM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Assuming all the numbered parts match and the bore is shiny, $750 would be about top dollar with the new repro grips and one orig mag. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

11-22-2012, 04:22 PM	#13
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	According to Jan Still's Weimar Lugers, Alphabet DWM commercial S#2026k was made in early 1922. Welcome to the addiction. __________________ Mike C.

11-21-2012, 09:26 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	There is a Crown N on the frame ahead of the trigger plate, and on the underside of the barrel. Yes..the mark of a commercial pistol. The gun came with a unblued magazine. Issue? and a blued probably aftermarket mag. Might be original..may we see it? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-21-2012, 09:31 PM	#3
Iggy User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow, that was quick. I'll have to take a picture.. BRB

11-21-2012, 10:04 PM	#6
Iggy User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry for the quality of the last one. Was gonna take another and my batteries pooped out. Roll marks on the barrel are Crown over N Serial number. Same as on the frame and the small "K" Crown over N on the surface ahead of the trigger plate. Only other markings visible are the last two digits of the serial number on various parts. Sure appreciate the responses.

11-22-2012, 12:44 PM	#7
Iggy User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow, lots of information available about Lugers. The more I read the more I am intrigued by this gun. I had no idea it was as old as it is. Other than various black powder guns etc., this is the oldest gun I have acquired. Durn it, looks like I'm in danger of a new addiction.

11-22-2012, 01:38 PM	#9
Iggy User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info. I was pretty sure the finish was original. I paid $735 OTD for it. At least it looks like I didn't get "took" too bad. No markings on the wood on the mag. I looked at the data sheets until my eyes crossed. Anyway to narrow the manufacture date down a bit more for the "K" series guns? Based on what you can see, what do you think it might be worth? Gotta write something down in the book for the family in case I croak tomorrow.

11-22-2012, 02:04 PM	#11
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	Iggy, I seem to recognize you from the S&W forum. Welcome to the wonderful world of Lugers. There are as many Luger variations as there are Smith models and all are interesting. Good to see ya. Charlie

11-22-2012, 02:57 PM	#12
Iggy User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lugerdoc, Thanks for the info. What is the clue to the grips being repros? Ice, Yup, I hang out there a bit. Good to see you too.

11-22-2012, 04:41 PM	#14
Iggy User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	MFC, Wow, that's great. Thank you very much. That's for the information, not your contribution to the addiction...

11-22-2012, 05:02 PM	#15
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	Iggy, you will go into some shock when buying 30 luger ammo if you plan to shoot it.

11-22-2012, 06:27 PM	#17
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	Welcome to the forum. You acquired what appears to be a nice condition alphabet Luger. I also own one, and really enjoy it. The problem with these lugers is one leads to two, then three..... You can see the pattern developing here. Perhaps it won't happen to you, but it sure did with me, and I purchased my first one in 1971!!

11-22-2012, 10:44 PM	#18
Iggy User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah, I am familiar with the pattern. Been there with S&W's. I fought it there and lost too.

11-23-2012, 02:00 AM	#19
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	The island on the side plate looks rather large compared to other lugers. I wonder if the side plate number matches the rest of the gun. Look on the bottom surface.

11-23-2012, 03:11 AM	#20
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Doc, good catch. The sideplate appears to be of East Grman manufacture. --Dwight