What Luger is this?

03-04-2002, 08:19 PM

Hello,

My uncle asked me about a luger he recently purchased. Unfortunately, I am pretty ignornant about the variations, can anyone suggest anything? This thing has a 3 and 1/8 " barrel, is 9mm, has the number 665 stamped on it and the clip which has an aluminum bottom and the silhouette of the front view of a tri-plane on the frame. It also has the number 83 stamped below the air plane silhouette. Inside there are a 7 and a capitol O. It came with a shoulder holster and the man from whom I bought it said that it was a

German aviator's pistol.

Thanks

Simon

03-05-2002, 01:11 AM

Yer uncle has a luger from the period 1939-1941. The stamp you are describing is and Eagle over a 655 indicating inspector number 655 whose office checked products made at the Mauser factory. The magazine (trivia: lugers don't have clips--it is apparently a misnomer from Hollywood) is from a slightly earlier luger. If it was an aviator's pistol (the shoulder holster would support this view although there is some controversy whether shoulder holsters were used much at all by the Germans) the pistol you describe is not specifically for air personnel. It might be true but without documentation, there is no way to tell on that pistol.

Provide the date (over the chamber) and the manufacturer's ID (over the toggle--should be 42 or byf). What condition is the finish? Has the gun been refinished or plated? Are the grips in nice condition and original (serial number digits on inside of grips)?

What are markings on holster (for shoulder holsters--what are the little tiny letters on the metal closure fittings?).

Then can determine value.

Dave

Marvin · 03-05-2002, 11:29 AM

Simon,

As mlm stated, the shoulder holster is tough to determine who used them. At some point the Luftwaffe was told that aviators were not to use the full size pistols, but were to use the smaller 7.65mm pistols. OF course, you can never tell in the military.

Another use of the shoulder holsters that I have read about is the Panzers crews. This allowed them to use a full size pistol and it would not hang up on equipment inside the Panzer. I have seen a couple of shoulder holsters that had a Waffenamt, but I cannot say for sure they were military issue or not. I feel sure that maybe some of the Panzer commanders would have purchased locally made shoulder holsters for their own use. I have one shoulder holster that came with a Luger that I bought from a veteran. He said the rig came together, but could not confirm where it came from since he bought it from another GI. I think the shoulder holsters are very interesting as a Luger rig. The one I have has the shoulder staps that appear to be made from the leather straps used to strap personal equipment with. It is very well made and simple.

Marvin

Johnny Peppers · 03-05-2002, 12:49 PM

I really thought the serial number was 665 and the acceptance stamp was Eagle 83, but that is just a guess from the information given. IF this is correct, the pistol should be dated either 1938 or 1939 on top of the chamber, and should have S/42 on the toggle assembly.

The "tri-plane" is probably the eagle acceptance mark.

03-05-2002, 01:19 PM

Hello Simon,

How much this your Luger?

Thank you

03-04-2002, 08:19 PM	#1
Simon Guest Posts: n/a	What Luger is this? Hello, My uncle asked me about a luger he recently purchased. Unfortunately, I am pretty ignornant about the variations, can anyone suggest anything? This thing has a 3 and 1/8 " barrel, is 9mm, has the number 665 stamped on it and the clip which has an aluminum bottom and the silhouette of the front view of a tri-plane on the frame. It also has the number 83 stamped below the air plane silhouette. Inside there are a 7 and a capitol O. It came with a shoulder holster and the man from whom I bought it said that it was a German aviator's pistol. Thanks Simon

03-05-2002, 01:11 AM	#2
mlm Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What Luger is this? Yer uncle has a luger from the period 1939-1941. The stamp you are describing is and Eagle over a 655 indicating inspector number 655 whose office checked products made at the Mauser factory. The magazine (trivia: lugers don't have clips--it is apparently a misnomer from Hollywood) is from a slightly earlier luger. If it was an aviator's pistol (the shoulder holster would support this view although there is some controversy whether shoulder holsters were used much at all by the Germans) the pistol you describe is not specifically for air personnel. It might be true but without documentation, there is no way to tell on that pistol. Provide the date (over the chamber) and the manufacturer's ID (over the toggle--should be 42 or byf). What condition is the finish? Has the gun been refinished or plated? Are the grips in nice condition and original (serial number digits on inside of grips)? What are markings on holster (for shoulder holsters--what are the little tiny letters on the metal closure fittings?). Then can determine value. Dave

03-05-2002, 11:29 AM	#3
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What Luger is this? Simon, As mlm stated, the shoulder holster is tough to determine who used them. At some point the Luftwaffe was told that aviators were not to use the full size pistols, but were to use the smaller 7.65mm pistols. OF course, you can never tell in the military. Another use of the shoulder holsters that I have read about is the Panzers crews. This allowed them to use a full size pistol and it would not hang up on equipment inside the Panzer. I have seen a couple of shoulder holsters that had a Waffenamt, but I cannot say for sure they were military issue or not. I feel sure that maybe some of the Panzer commanders would have purchased locally made shoulder holsters for their own use. I have one shoulder holster that came with a Luger that I bought from a veteran. He said the rig came together, but could not confirm where it came from since he bought it from another GI. I think the shoulder holsters are very interesting as a Luger rig. The one I have has the shoulder staps that appear to be made from the leather straps used to strap personal equipment with. It is very well made and simple. Marvin

03-05-2002, 12:49 PM	#4
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What Luger is this? I really thought the serial number was 665 and the acceptance stamp was Eagle 83, but that is just a guess from the information given. IF this is correct, the pistol should be dated either 1938 or 1939 on top of the chamber, and should have S/42 on the toggle assembly. The "tri-plane" is probably the eagle acceptance mark.

03-05-2002, 01:19 PM	#5
Valter Hanus Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What Luger is this? Hello Simon, How much this your Luger? Thank you