Help a Member with an inherited Luger

John D. · 03-05-2013, 03:24 PM

I'm posting this for another Forum Member, who needs a little assist with posting pictures and stuff.. Anyway - here is his note:

Quote:

Undated, no bench marks, #'s matching, 12" barrel, 30cal. DWM....

And the photo he attached to his e-mail..

Thanks for any input - and I'll direct this fine gentleman to this thread...

My Best Always,

John D.

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 07:27 PM

Thanks for your help posting John! I was told this gun was a war trophy from WW1.....

lugersrkewl · 03-05-2013, 07:31 PM

Welcome to the forum sir.
At first glance it appeared to be an alphabet commercial carbine with stock. But there is no strawing. And it appears the sideplate is numbered in military fashion.
I woudnt think it was an ww1 artillery model with a .30 luger barrel but this may be something odd.
Can you list the serial number with the prefix letter underneath the numbers?

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 07:34 PM

2762 with what looks like an r under the number

lugersrkewl · 03-05-2013, 07:35 PM

one more thing is there a chamber date on the top near the barrel?
The serial falls in the alphabet commercial range.produced 1920-29

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 07:40 PM

I'm hoping to figure out the year it was made and the model of this gun.... Along with an idea of what it's worth is..... Thanks for any help you can give!

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 07:41 PM

No date at all ...

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 07:59 PM

Side plate and various other parts are all marked 62....

lugersrkewl · 03-05-2013, 08:02 PM

wow I dont know what it is now honestly. I thought it was a commercial but now Im not sure.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-05-2013, 08:18 PM

It's illegal with that stock. It's NOT an Artillery and it's NOT a carbine. It's simply a long barrel.

What IS the length of the barrel?

You need much better photo's of the stock, in better light and some detail.

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 08:24 PM

http://s1076.beta.photobucket.com/us...dyman/library/

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 08:25 PM

Barrel length is 12"

lugerholsterrepair · 03-05-2013, 08:37 PM

Mitch..OK You have to seperate the stock out if you don't want to create any trouble for yourself and the buyer. This stock can only be placed on an 8 inch Artillery per the ATF. I think the barrel length would have to be 16 inch to qualify as a legal gun with the stock. As it is now..with the stock it would be a short barreled rifle and worth about 10 years of Federal supervised incarceration.

There are not any good useable shots of it on your link to give any opinion as to originality, condition and thusly..value.

Are there any markings on the wood or metal stock iron? A serial number?

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 08:53 PM

No numbers on the stock.... Thanks for the advice!

lugerholsterrepair · 03-05-2013, 08:59 PM

Mitch..I have closely looked at all your photo's and there is no clear photo of the butt of the pistol..I cannot see clear evidence of any stock lug? Is there a stock lug on this pistol and will the stock attach?

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 09:10 PM

Yes there is a lug and the stock attaches snugly!

lugerholsterrepair · 03-05-2013, 09:18 PM

OK..Interesting pistol. I suspect the barrel was put on perhaps at the request of Pacific Arms in the 1920's. You could order whatever configuration you wanted. This has an Artillery type rear sight. Are there ANY markings on the pistol or stock like GERMANY? Crown N? Any marks on the right receiver?
Is there a notch below the rear leaf of the 800 meter leaf sight on the barrel & receiver?

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 09:35 PM

Germany stamped only on the bottom of the barrel, no other bench marks on the right side of reciever. Not sure where I'm looking for a notch under the sights...

lugerholsterrepair · 03-05-2013, 09:55 PM

Germany on the barrel make sense. There should be some marks on the pistol..Other than the serials.
Are there any serial numbers on the ladder sight? 2 digits?

I was told this gun was a war trophy from WW1....Whoever told you this is mistaken. It cannot have been a war trophy. Germany under the barrel tells us it was imported into the USA likely sometime in the 20's-30's
No military markings, .30 Luger caliber or date over the chamber tell us it was not a Military pistol.
Pretty simply we know what it is not, it is not now nor has it ever been a Military pistol.

The serial number's are they all exposed or somewhat hidden?

If you do not see an obvious notch under the rear of the ladder sight at the rear of the barrel..right where the barrel and receiver join together on the top..then it is not there. If it is not there the pistol was not properly fitted for the 800 meter sight. The notch is there to allow the rear leaf of the ladder sight to bottom out. Otherwise it will rest on the top of the receiver.

Mitch Buschbacher · 03-05-2013, 10:04 PM

No Numbers on the ladder sights. No other marks on the pistol other than the serial number 2762 r and the number 62 on the smaller parts... Thanks for all your help!

03-05-2013, 08:18 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	It's illegal with that stock. It's NOT an Artillery and it's NOT a carbine. It's simply a long barrel. What IS the length of the barrel? You need much better photo's of the stock, in better light and some detail. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-05-2013, 08:37 PM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Mitch..OK You have to seperate the stock out if you don't want to create any trouble for yourself and the buyer. This stock can only be placed on an 8 inch Artillery per the ATF. I think the barrel length would have to be 16 inch to qualify as a legal gun with the stock. As it is now..with the stock it would be a short barreled rifle and worth about 10 years of Federal supervised incarceration. There are not any good useable shots of it on your link to give any opinion as to originality, condition and thusly..value. Are there any markings on the wood or metal stock iron? A serial number? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-05-2013, 08:59 PM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Mitch..I have closely looked at all your photo's and there is no clear photo of the butt of the pistol..I cannot see clear evidence of any stock lug? Is there a stock lug on this pistol and will the stock attach? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-05-2013, 09:18 PM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	OK..Interesting pistol. I suspect the barrel was put on perhaps at the request of Pacific Arms in the 1920's. You could order whatever configuration you wanted. This has an Artillery type rear sight. Are there ANY markings on the pistol or stock like GERMANY? Crown N? Any marks on the right receiver? Is there a notch below the rear leaf of the 800 meter leaf sight on the barrel & receiver? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-05-2013, 09:55 PM	#19
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Germany on the barrel make sense. There should be some marks on the pistol..Other than the serials. Are there any serial numbers on the ladder sight? 2 digits? I was told this gun was a war trophy from WW1....Whoever told you this is mistaken. It cannot have been a war trophy. Germany under the barrel tells us it was imported into the USA likely sometime in the 20's-30's No military markings, .30 Luger caliber or date over the chamber tell us it was not a Military pistol. Pretty simply we know what it is not, it is not now nor has it ever been a Military pistol. The serial number's are they all exposed or somewhat hidden? If you do not see an obvious notch under the rear of the ladder sight at the rear of the barrel..right where the barrel and receiver join together on the top..then it is not there. If it is not there the pistol was not properly fitted for the 800 meter sight. The notch is there to allow the rear leaf of the ladder sight to bottom out. Otherwise it will rest on the top of the receiver. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-05-2013, 07:27 PM	#2
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for your help posting John! I was told this gun was a war trophy from WW1.....

03-05-2013, 07:31 PM	#3
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	Welcome to the forum sir. At first glance it appeared to be an alphabet commercial carbine with stock. But there is no strawing. And it appears the sideplate is numbered in military fashion. I woudnt think it was an ww1 artillery model with a .30 luger barrel but this may be something odd. Can you list the serial number with the prefix letter underneath the numbers?

03-05-2013, 07:34 PM	#4
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	2762 with what looks like an r under the number

03-05-2013, 07:35 PM	#5
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	one more thing is there a chamber date on the top near the barrel? The serial falls in the alphabet commercial range.produced 1920-29

03-05-2013, 07:40 PM	#6
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm hoping to figure out the year it was made and the model of this gun.... Along with an idea of what it's worth is..... Thanks for any help you can give!

03-05-2013, 07:41 PM	#7
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No date at all ...

03-05-2013, 07:59 PM	#8
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Side plate and various other parts are all marked 62....

03-05-2013, 08:02 PM	#9
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	wow I dont know what it is now honestly. I thought it was a commercial but now Im not sure.

03-05-2013, 08:24 PM	#11
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	http://s1076.beta.photobucket.com/us...dyman/library/

03-05-2013, 08:25 PM	#12
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Barrel length is 12"

03-05-2013, 08:53 PM	#14
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No numbers on the stock.... Thanks for the advice!

03-05-2013, 09:10 PM	#16
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes there is a lug and the stock attaches snugly!

03-05-2013, 09:35 PM	#18
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Germany stamped only on the bottom of the barrel, no other bench marks on the right side of reciever. Not sure where I'm looking for a notch under the sights...

03-05-2013, 10:04 PM	#20
Mitch Buschbacher User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No Numbers on the ladder sights. No other marks on the pistol other than the serial number 2762 r and the number 62 on the smaller parts... Thanks for all your help!