Luger and Browning surprise...saved again

Frank B · 03-07-2013, 09:10 PM

Today I went to a friends house to help his wife get rid of old dangerous guns left over from her father. The pics below will explain what I saw...I had to clear the loaded guns. I need help identifying the browning...I and need help on cleaning the leather. Any help?? I adding both guns only because they where a package

Frank B · 03-07-2013, 09:12 PM

More pics

Frank B · 03-07-2013, 09:14 PM

More pics...the luger has goldish brass colring parts? And differ proof marks

lugerholsterrepair · 03-07-2013, 09:47 PM

The Browning is a 1922

The holsters have a heavy infestation of mold. Likely these came out of a closet or basement with high humidity. Lucky the pistols are not covered in rust.
Your Luger holster is missing it's original roller buckle assembly. It has some sort of home made thing in place of it.

The gold colored parts on your 1936 are strawing, a mild protection for rust like bluing. 1936 was the last year Mauser used it.

The wood bottom magazine is decades removed from the pistol, WW1

Frank B · 03-07-2013, 09:50 PM

Are the holsters salvagable? If so...what do I need to do?

mrerick · 03-07-2013, 10:18 PM

When it was available, formaldehyde used to be used to kill mold. It was allowed to evaporate in a closed space with the object.

Unfortunately, it's a carcinogen and not readily available.

Marc

skeeter4206 · 03-07-2013, 11:01 PM

Nice find and welcome to the forum. Good to see someone else on here from the Augusta Area. Enjoy learning more about the guns you have recently received.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-08-2013, 12:16 AM

Frank, My treatment method is so unusual not many people will try it..Some molds it will not work on. Is your white mold oily when you touch it or dry?

alanint · 03-08-2013, 05:50 AM

The Mussette bag you found everything in also has value. Don't just throw or give it away. An original like this is worth $100, +

Frank B · 03-08-2013, 06:06 AM

I think it is dry white...but I didnt want to handle it too much. I will test it after I get home from work tonite....so far what I read was....haair shampoo after wiping it off, another said 1/2 achlocol and water...that seams harsh. And then after that use leather cleaners. I will let you know later afternoon. I was surprise to see the guns in such good shape...I think the leather absorbed the damage.

alanint · 03-08-2013, 07:04 AM

Jerry,

Don't the markings Frank shows make this a Krieghoff Holster?

(Dagger surrounded by H K).

Frank B · 03-08-2013, 12:19 PM

Cool...

DavidJayUden · 03-08-2013, 12:37 PM

Personally I'd pack all the leathergoods up and send them to Jerry. It will be well worth your time and shipping expense.
dju

alanint · 03-08-2013, 12:54 PM

Send everything to Jerry and let him work his magic.

Frank B · 03-08-2013, 01:02 PM

The second hoster has the 1940 marks and proof(see above)...so I couldnt imagine it as a p-38 holster. The luger fits perfect. But then again...I dont know.

lugersrkewl · 03-08-2013, 01:27 PM

awesome find. You saved them from a couple three four thousand dollars worth of guns.

alanint · 03-08-2013, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank B

The second hoster has the 1940 marks and proof(see above)...so I couldnt imagine it as a p-38 holster. The luger fits perfect. But then again...I dont know.

Frank, I mean the one on the left in the photo with all the straps. I called it the "second holster" because we are already discussing the WW2 Luger holster.

Douglas Jr. · 03-08-2013, 03:20 PM

Welcome to the forum.

The other pistols is a FN Browning Model 1922 (a.k.a. 1910/22). Your pistol was made under German occupation as indicated by the WaA140 stamps (this Waffenamt was in use from 1941 to 1944). As its serial number does not display any letter suffix, my guess is this pistol was made in 1942 or so (note: I do not have my books at hand).

Its holster (the one on the left on your picture) looks like a typical "drop holster", mostly preferred by Luftwaffe troops and is the pattern often linked to this gun. One of the marks shown (Eagle/2) is a Luftwaffe acceptance mark.

A nice pair of guns, for sure.

Douglas.

Frank B · 03-08-2013, 03:40 PM

Great info...a Luftwaffe browning...neat. I know the holsters are a bit used/dirty...but what is the value of the browning? The luger I can make a guess...apreciate the help

lugerholsterrepair · 03-08-2013, 03:50 PM

Doug..Don't the markings Frank shows make this a Krieghoff Holster?

The Browning 1922 holster IS a Luft but not because of the HK marks..many Browning 1922 holsters have that but the Eagle 2 on the front DOES make it Luftwaffe issue. Not all of these holster have the Eagle 2.

03-07-2013, 09:10 PM	#1
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	Luger and Browning surprise...saved again Today I went to a friends house to help his wife get rid of old dangerous guns left over from her father. The pics below will explain what I saw...I had to clear the loaded guns. I need help identifying the browning...I and need help on cleaning the leather. Any help?? I adding both guns only because they where a package Attached Thumbnails

03-07-2013, 09:12 PM	#2
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	More pics Attached Thumbnails

03-07-2013, 09:14 PM	#3
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	More pics...the luger has goldish brass colring parts? And differ proof marks Attached Thumbnails

03-07-2013, 09:47 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	The Browning is a 1922 The holsters have a heavy infestation of mold. Likely these came out of a closet or basement with high humidity. Lucky the pistols are not covered in rust. Your Luger holster is missing it's original roller buckle assembly. It has some sort of home made thing in place of it. The gold colored parts on your 1936 are strawing, a mild protection for rust like bluing. 1936 was the last year Mauser used it. The wood bottom magazine is decades removed from the pistol, WW1 __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-07-2013, 10:18 PM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	When it was available, formaldehyde used to be used to kill mold. It was allowed to evaporate in a closed space with the object. Unfortunately, it's a carcinogen and not readily available. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-07-2013, 09:50 PM	#5
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	Are the holsters salvagable? If so...what do I need to do?

03-07-2013, 11:01 PM	#7
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Nice find and welcome to the forum. Good to see someone else on here from the Augusta Area. Enjoy learning more about the guns you have recently received.

03-08-2013, 12:16 AM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Frank, My treatment method is so unusual not many people will try it..Some molds it will not work on. Is your white mold oily when you touch it or dry? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-08-2013, 05:50 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The Mussette bag you found everything in also has value. Don't just throw or give it away. An original like this is worth $100, +

03-08-2013, 06:06 AM	#10
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	I think it is dry white...but I didnt want to handle it too much. I will test it after I get home from work tonite....so far what I read was....haair shampoo after wiping it off, another said 1/2 achlocol and water...that seams harsh. And then after that use leather cleaners. I will let you know later afternoon. I was surprise to see the guns in such good shape...I think the leather absorbed the damage.

03-08-2013, 07:04 AM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Jerry, Don't the markings Frank shows make this a Krieghoff Holster? (Dagger surrounded by H K).

03-08-2013, 12:19 PM	#12
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	Cool...

03-08-2013, 12:37 PM	#13
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Personally I'd pack all the leathergoods up and send them to Jerry. It will be well worth your time and shipping expense. dju

03-08-2013, 12:54 PM	#14
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Send everything to Jerry and let him work his magic. Last edited by alanint; 03-09-2013 at 04:56 PM.

03-08-2013, 01:02 PM	#15
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	The second hoster has the 1940 marks and proof(see above)...so I couldnt imagine it as a p-38 holster. The luger fits perfect. But then again...I dont know.

03-08-2013, 01:27 PM	#16
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	awesome find. You saved them from a couple three four thousand dollars worth of guns.

03-08-2013, 03:20 PM	#18
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Welcome to the forum. The other pistols is a FN Browning Model 1922 (a.k.a. 1910/22). Your pistol was made under German occupation as indicated by the WaA140 stamps (this Waffenamt was in use from 1941 to 1944). As its serial number does not display any letter suffix, my guess is this pistol was made in 1942 or so (note: I do not have my books at hand). Its holster (the one on the left on your picture) looks like a typical "drop holster", mostly preferred by Luftwaffe troops and is the pattern often linked to this gun. One of the marks shown (Eagle/2) is a Luftwaffe acceptance mark. A nice pair of guns, for sure. Douglas.

03-08-2013, 03:40 PM	#19
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	Great info...a Luftwaffe browning...neat. I know the holsters are a bit used/dirty...but what is the value of the browning? The luger I can make a guess...apreciate the help

03-08-2013, 03:50 PM	#20
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Doug..Don't the markings Frank shows make this a Krieghoff Holster? The Browning 1922 holster IS a Luft but not because of the HK marks..many Browning 1922 holsters have that but the Eagle 2 on the front DOES make it Luftwaffe issue. Not all of these holster have the Eagle 2. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."