Luger Tips? (book)

Zorba · 03-26-2013, 11:50 AM

Purchased this and read it. It "seems" to be pretty good - although its like the Nazi era never happened.

A quick search here doesn't say much about it - other than it "contains errors".

What's the scoop?

Dwight Gruber · 03-26-2013, 03:44 PM

A casually writen book, not exhaustive, too obsolete to be useful in the 21st century. A classical entry in the history of Luger literature, no comprehensive Luger library should be without it, but once you have read it you can move on.

--Dwight

Vlim · 03-26-2013, 04:15 PM

The book can be categorized under 'mostly harmless'.

There are better books available now, with more up to date information, better researched.

SteveM · 03-26-2013, 06:11 PM

Michael Reese had a monthly column about Lugers back in the 70's in Guns & Ammo. It was about the only place you could regularly find articles about them back then.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-26-2013, 07:58 PM

First book I ever came across when I started. Interesting but little depth. Good starter book to pique interest though!

Edward Tinker · 03-27-2013, 03:34 AM

Ask about what books to buy here, just because its a deal, doesn't mean its the best!

I still like Jones and Datig's books, both are early ones, but have lots of good info
Kenyon is very good, has error's, but overall is excellent for nice, large photos and good explanation when right (most of it is right)

All of Jan Still's books are great, 3rd Reich and Axis pistols is what I assume you are interested in. My favorite has always been Weimar lugers, need a new copy since mine is so worn.

Our new Police Lugers turned out very nice, expensive since we self-published, but nice (its 3:33 AM and I can't sleep, so allowed a b it of self indulgence

)

tomaustin · 03-27-2013, 06:50 PM

a great effort by two very knowledgeable luger professionals................tom

cirelaw · 03-27-2013, 07:31 PM

Find a luger type, time or subject and try to decide which type of luger interests you and then research its history. Pull up a discussion thread on both sites. Don't be afraid to post questions. Don't be shy, we all started the same. Once you settle on a period, Jan' is where to go! I learned in law school there is never a stupid question, only stupid answers. I believe you should have more luger books than lugers. I'm still ahead with books instead of lugers. Right now I have 12 lugers a 21 luger books. OOPs time for another luger! ~~~ Eric

mrerick · 03-27-2013, 08:25 PM

I also like John Walter's "The Luger Story"... It has a good basic overview.

Keep watch and you'll find a used one.

Marc

Zorba · 03-28-2013, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Find a luger type, time or subject and try to decide which type of luger interests you and then research its history. Pull up a discussion thread on both sites. Don't be afraid to post questions. Don't be shy, we all started the same. Once you settle on a period, Jan' is where to go! I learned in law school there is never a stupid question, only stupid answers. I believe you should have more luger books than lugers. I'm still ahead with books instead of lugers. Right now I have 12 lugers a 21 luger books. OOPs time for another luger! ~~~ Eric

I'm after a Nazi era example - preferably a 1936, but others are possibilities.

I'm mostly lurking and trying to learn something. Don't know enough to be able to ask very many questions - stupid or otherwise!

But folks here seem to be pretty helpful.

adowns · 06-02-2020, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorba

Purchased this and read it. It "seems" to be pretty good - although its like the Nazi era never happened.

A quick search here doesn't say much about it - other than it "contains errors".

What's the scoop?

I'm replying to a very old thread. Not far from me is a Mercedes Benz plant. There is a small museum in the lobby where you can wait before going on a plant tour. There are displays that show the firm's history and vehicles produced during the firm's existence. But nothing between 1933 and 1945! This era never happened.

This forgetfulness was made fun of in a 1960's song, "The I Was Not a Nazi Polka".

tomaustin · 06-02-2020, 10:03 PM

be aware that Adidas manufactured the german bazookas in ww2...puma was also a manufacture source....

Eugen · 10-22-2020, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tomaustin

be aware that Adidas manufactured the german bazookas in ww2...puma was also a manufacture source....

Yes, but we should also realize that just about every manufacture in every country participated in their country's war effort directly or indirectly. This is not surprising when you think about it. Just like most nation's citizens did their part in one way or another. During WWII my mom was a 'Rosey the riveter' making Hellcat fighter aircraft in Akron, Ohio, while my dad was over seas in the Army Air Corp.

Vlim · 10-22-2020, 09:25 AM

At least Mercedes-Benz created a pension fund for former forced laborers.

Mauser also behaved relatively well given the circumstances.
Companies like Varta not so much. They bought labor from the SS and had them work with lead without any protection. Most died an agonising death due to lead poisoning. Varta was part of the same conglomerate, the Quandt group.

So even within the same group of companies, one location or another could treat their workers quite differently.

DWM Berlin also did not win the good conduct award.

tomaustin · 10-22-2020, 12:36 PM

let me put my statement in the proper context-----if my father had served in that theater of the war, and had been killed by a german bazooka as many were, I would have no business dealings with any product or service offered by adidas or puma......

Vlim · 10-22-2020, 05:45 PM

You are aware that Ford, General Motors and IBM, to name but a few, worked for the German army during WW2?

Wartime industry is an interesting, and sobering, field of research.

cirelaw · 10-23-2020, 09:58 AM

Outdated!

Zorba · 10-26-2020, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by adowns

I'm replying to a very old thread. Not far from me is a Mercedes Benz plant. There is a small museum in the lobby where you can wait before going on a plant tour. There are displays that show the firm's history and vehicles produced during the firm's existence. But nothing between 1933 and 1945! This era never happened.

This forgetfulness was made fun of in a 1960's song, "The I Was Not a Nazi Polka".

I know someone who works there. Some of the very most interesting Mercedes models were made in the Nazi era. I own an '85 myself, but wouldn't want one much newer than that - they've completely lost their way, largely because of Lexus to my mind.

cirelaw · 10-26-2020, 12:52 PM

1979SL Convertable during law schoo! Miss It1l

aldo35 · 10-26-2020, 01:03 PM

I have never heard that these American companies mfg anything for the Nazis. cn you expand that ?

03-26-2013, 11:50 AM	#1
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 527 Times in 290 Posts	Luger Tips? (book) Purchased this and read it. It "seems" to be pretty good - although its like the Nazi era never happened. A quick search here doesn't say much about it - other than it "contains errors". What's the scoop?

03-26-2013, 07:58 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	First book I ever came across when I started. Interesting but little depth. Good starter book to pique interest though! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-27-2013, 03:34 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Ask about what books to buy here, just because its a deal, doesn't mean its the best! I still like Jones and Datig's books, both are early ones, but have lots of good info Kenyon is very good, has error's, but overall is excellent for nice, large photos and good explanation when right (most of it is right) All of Jan Still's books are great, 3rd Reich and Axis pistols is what I assume you are interested in. My favorite has always been Weimar lugers, need a new copy since mine is so worn. Our new Police Lugers turned out very nice, expensive since we self-published, but nice (its 3:33 AM and I can't sleep, so allowed a b it of self indulgence ) __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-27-2013, 06:50 PM	#7
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	I would certainly recommend Ed and Dwight's Police Lugers book.... a great effort by two very knowledgeable luger professionals................tom

03-27-2013, 08:25 PM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	I also like John Walter's "The Luger Story"... It has a good basic overview. Keep watch and you'll find a used one. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-26-2013, 03:44 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	A casually writen book, not exhaustive, too obsolete to be useful in the 21st century. A classical entry in the history of Luger literature, no comprehensive Luger library should be without it, but once you have read it you can move on. --Dwight

03-26-2013, 04:15 PM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	The book can be categorized under 'mostly harmless'. There are better books available now, with more up to date information, better researched.

03-26-2013, 06:11 PM	#4
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Michael Reese had a monthly column about Lugers back in the 70's in Guns & Ammo. It was about the only place you could regularly find articles about them back then.

03-27-2013, 07:31 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Find a luger type, time or subject and try to decide which type of luger interests you and then research its history. Pull up a discussion thread on both sites. Don't be afraid to post questions. Don't be shy, we all started the same. Once you settle on a period, Jan' is where to go! I learned in law school there is never a stupid question, only stupid answers. I believe you should have more luger books than lugers. I'm still ahead with books instead of lugers. Right now I have 12 lugers a 21 luger books. OOPs time for another luger! ~~~ Eric

06-02-2020, 10:03 PM	#12
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	be aware that Adidas manufactured the german bazookas in ww2...puma was also a manufacture source....

10-22-2020, 09:25 AM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	At least Mercedes-Benz created a pension fund for former forced laborers. Mauser also behaved relatively well given the circumstances. Companies like Varta not so much. They bought labor from the SS and had them work with lead without any protection. Most died an agonising death due to lead poisoning. Varta was part of the same conglomerate, the Quandt group. So even within the same group of companies, one location or another could treat their workers quite differently. DWM Berlin also did not win the good conduct award.

10-22-2020, 12:36 PM	#15
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	let me put my statement in the proper context-----if my father had served in that theater of the war, and had been killed by a german bazooka as many were, I would have no business dealings with any product or service offered by adidas or puma......

10-22-2020, 05:45 PM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	You are aware that Ford, General Motors and IBM, to name but a few, worked for the German army during WW2? Wartime industry is an interesting, and sobering, field of research.

10-23-2020, 09:58 AM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Outdated!

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	1979SL Convertable during law schoo! Miss It1l

10-26-2020, 01:03 PM	#20
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,229 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	I have never heard that these American companies mfg anything for the Nazis. cn you expand that ?