great grandfathers bring back

mseitz24 · 07-22-2013, 11:45 PM

I have a luger my great grandfather brought back from the war along with a mauser, another small pocket pistol and a p-38 which was unfortunately given away by my d-bag ex step father to pay a debt. Anyway Im just looking for any info I can get about this luger. My great grandfather passed away about 12 years ago now. The story goes, as told from my grandfather, my great grandfather was the son of german immigrants and spoke german. The luger and p38 were turned over to him by nazi officers as they surrendered. He did the translating. He was in the battle of the bulge, not sure where exactly or even his division/company etc. I would love to find that info also.

Specs on the luger:

G stamped
S/42
Sn 6900
All numbers match except mag
Eagle 63, 92 with square around it and what looks like 2 capitol A's smashed together on the right side
What looks like an upside down capitol T on the front below the barrel above the trigger guard

Holster has
Lederwarenwerk
Curt vogel
Cottbus
1938
Eagle with swastica and WaA94
Different eagle with swastica and M

I will try and get some pictures.
Any and all info is greatly appreciated

mrerick · 07-23-2013, 12:12 AM

Hi, and welcome to the forum.

Your "G" date Luger was made by Mauser in 1935 in Oberndorf, Germany. The "G" was a concealment of the date of manufacture.

S/42 is Mauser's concealment code.

There is probably a letter under the "6900" serial number digits on the front of the frame above the trigger guard. The suffix letter is part of the serial number also. The upside down capital "T" could be a script "L".

The E/63 and B/92 are inspection and acceptance marks when the Luger was military accepted.

If the holster is all original, the "M" mark would indicate it is a marine issued holster. Pictures are needed. Are there any numbers on the rear of the Luger's grip strap?

Marc

Curly1 · 07-23-2013, 12:44 AM

Welcome to the forum.

mseitz24 · 07-23-2013, 08:31 AM

No markings on the rear.

Here is a quick picture with my phone. I will take detailed pictures later today

rolandtg · 07-23-2013, 07:25 PM

Howdy! very nice looking G date!

Frank B · 07-24-2013, 07:59 AM

Nice...do hold on to it...as a piece of family history. A great thing to pass along...

Nomadr · 07-24-2013, 09:21 AM

Boy, I'm used to hearing bring backs brought back by "my Dad" "my Grandfather"!

Now It's "my Great Grandfather". I'm getting old!!!

Great heirloom by the way.

Bob

mseitz24 · 07-25-2013, 01:17 AM

here are some better pictures. you can see in the last one the german who carried this modified the holster for easier access to the grip.

mseitz24 · 07-25-2013, 01:28 AM

A little off topic but the another pistol and a 1944 K98 mauser he brought back. At some point he cut the mauser stock down a couple inches and put on a different buttpad. I'm trying to figure out what to do with that. Best idea i have so far is buy a new correct buttplate, cut and re-weld to fit and try and match the finish of the rest of the rifle. Its also missing the take down ring which isnt a big deal to replace.

alanint · 07-25-2013, 05:18 AM

From your photos, every one of your Great Grandfather's bringbacks looks modified. Both pistols look buffed and reblued and the rifle has the stock cut down, the sling nailed on with brads and the take-down escucheon removed from the stock. The holster cutdown was almost undoudtedly done by a GI, as a German would have never modified his gear in this way.

Until much better photos are provided, this is what I see.

Frank B · 07-25-2013, 07:37 AM

The Model 1910/22 Mauser pistol is not re-blued...they are always high polished...that is the original finish I think( I might be wrong, but I doubt it). I have one and they are beautifully blued. The Luger too does not appears to be re-blued...with better lighting I am sure you can tell variations of old blue colors. Any other opinions on this?

Frank B · 07-25-2013, 07:41 AM

Here is an example...

alanint · 07-25-2013, 08:59 AM

Frank, I'm not basing my assesment of the Mauser on the shine, but on the uneven surfaces, buffed out edges and muddled roll markings. Compare the crispness of your pistol's edges, roll markings and the slide's finger serrations to the pistol in question. I think it will become a little more obvious.

Again, I did put in the disclaimer that I was basing this opinion on the current photos.

mseitz24 · 07-25-2013, 09:21 AM

Its probably the terrible pictures. I was using a flashlight instead of the flash because the flash was washing everything out. Im 1000% positive these havent been re-blued. The stock is cut down and take down disk removed or lost as I stated above. It doesnt make any sense to remove it so possibly lost in the war? I dont want to replace it as it wouldnt be original to me, it wouldnt be the rifle he brought back.

alanint · 07-25-2013, 09:52 AM

Mike,

There is no possible way the take down disk fell out. It you were familiar with how these are installed in the stocks, this would be obvious. This was purposely removed, probably as part of an attempt to "sporterize" the K98, along with all the other changes.

Frank B · 07-25-2013, 10:06 AM

What I would do is...new pics with better lighting. Alanint, I understood the disclaimer...but even with the poor pics...I could see the bluing shades on the Luger, and the light use rubes around the the corners of the model 1910...which will show up when he posts better pics. That is why we are having the fun in discussing the love affairs. No intent on any slam...if that was perceived.

Lugerdoc · 07-25-2013, 10:29 AM

What caliber is the Mauser pistol? Correct terms would be a M1910/34 if in 6.35mm or M1934 if in 7.65mm. The serial suffix of your G date appears to be a lower case "b", as all G dates were in the "a" to "f" suffix range. Th

alanint · 07-25-2013, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank B

That is why we are having the fun in discussing the love affairs. No intent on any slam...if that was perceived.

Zero offense taken, Frank!

It IS entertaining to speculate and I'm the first one to admit that well taken photos make a world of difference.

I have often changed an opinion here based on new photos.

mrerick · 07-25-2013, 10:50 AM

Mike,

Take your photos in indirect (shaded) sunlight. use a tripod, and the closeup setting on your digital camera.

Modifications (including cutting out the holster and any refinishing) reduce or eliminate any collector interest in a firearm or holster.

Tom, the pocket pistol is in 6.35mm / .25acp.

Marc

Lyn Islaub · 07-28-2013, 02:08 AM

Tom is correct in that it is a 1910/34 mauser and it is in .25 cal. It is also an extremely late serial number being in the high 425,900 block and very near the transition from Crown N to Eagle N proofs. Eagle N's are very, very rare and a better photo of yours in the area of the front right side would verify one way or the other. As to the originality of the finish, I tend to believe it original, but as previously stated better pictures would be of benefit.

07-22-2013, 11:45 PM	#1
mseitz24 User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	great grandfathers bring back I have a luger my great grandfather brought back from the war along with a mauser, another small pocket pistol and a p-38 which was unfortunately given away by my d-bag ex step father to pay a debt. Anyway Im just looking for any info I can get about this luger. My great grandfather passed away about 12 years ago now. The story goes, as told from my grandfather, my great grandfather was the son of german immigrants and spoke german. The luger and p38 were turned over to him by nazi officers as they surrendered. He did the translating. He was in the battle of the bulge, not sure where exactly or even his division/company etc. I would love to find that info also. Specs on the luger: G stamped S/42 Sn 6900 All numbers match except mag Eagle 63, 92 with square around it and what looks like 2 capitol A's smashed together on the right side What looks like an upside down capitol T on the front below the barrel above the trigger guard Holster has Lederwarenwerk Curt vogel Cottbus 1938 Eagle with swastica and WaA94 Different eagle with swastica and M I will try and get some pictures. Any and all info is greatly appreciated

07-23-2013, 12:12 AM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Hi, and welcome to the forum. Your "G" date Luger was made by Mauser in 1935 in Oberndorf, Germany. The "G" was a concealment of the date of manufacture. S/42 is Mauser's concealment code. There is probably a letter under the "6900" serial number digits on the front of the frame above the trigger guard. The suffix letter is part of the serial number also. The upside down capital "T" could be a script "L". The E/63 and B/92 are inspection and acceptance marks when the Luger was military accepted. If the holster is all original, the "M" mark would indicate it is a marine issued holster. Pictures are needed. Are there any numbers on the rear of the Luger's grip strap? Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-23-2013, 12:44 AM	#3
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,242 Thanks: 117 Thanked 714 Times in 371 Posts	Welcome to the forum. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

07-24-2013, 07:59 AM	#6
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	Nice...do hold on to it...as a piece of family history. A great thing to pass along... __________________ "Man muss manchmal in den sauren Apfel beißen"

07-25-2013, 07:37 AM	#11
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	The Model 1910/22 Mauser pistol is not re-blued...they are always high polished...that is the original finish I think( I might be wrong, but I doubt it). I have one and they are beautifully blued. The Luger too does not appears to be re-blued...with better lighting I am sure you can tell variations of old blue colors. Any other opinions on this? __________________ "Man muss manchmal in den sauren Apfel beißen"

07-23-2013, 08:31 AM	#4
mseitz24 User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No markings on the rear. Here is a quick picture with my phone. I will take detailed pictures later today

07-23-2013, 07:25 PM	#5
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 477 Thanks: 380 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	Howdy! very nice looking G date!

07-24-2013, 09:21 AM	#7
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	Boy, I'm used to hearing bring backs brought back by "my Dad" "my Grandfather"! Now It's "my Great Grandfather". I'm getting old!!! Great heirloom by the way. Bob

07-25-2013, 01:17 AM	#8
mseitz24 User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	here are some better pictures. you can see in the last one the german who carried this modified the holster for easier access to the grip.

07-25-2013, 01:28 AM	#9
mseitz24 User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	A little off topic but the another pistol and a 1944 K98 mauser he brought back. At some point he cut the mauser stock down a couple inches and put on a different buttpad. I'm trying to figure out what to do with that. Best idea i have so far is buy a new correct buttplate, cut and re-weld to fit and try and match the finish of the rest of the rifle. Its also missing the take down ring which isnt a big deal to replace.

07-25-2013, 05:18 AM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	From your photos, every one of your Great Grandfather's bringbacks looks modified. Both pistols look buffed and reblued and the rifle has the stock cut down, the sling nailed on with brads and the take-down escucheon removed from the stock. The holster cutdown was almost undoudtedly done by a GI, as a German would have never modified his gear in this way. Until much better photos are provided, this is what I see.

07-25-2013, 07:41 AM	#12
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	Here is an example... Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Man muss manchmal in den sauren Apfel beißen"

07-25-2013, 08:59 AM	#13
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Frank, I'm not basing my assesment of the Mauser on the shine, but on the uneven surfaces, buffed out edges and muddled roll markings. Compare the crispness of your pistol's edges, roll markings and the slide's finger serrations to the pistol in question. I think it will become a little more obvious. Again, I did put in the disclaimer that I was basing this opinion on the current photos.

07-25-2013, 09:21 AM	#14
mseitz24 User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Its probably the terrible pictures. I was using a flashlight instead of the flash because the flash was washing everything out. Im 1000% positive these havent been re-blued. The stock is cut down and take down disk removed or lost as I stated above. It doesnt make any sense to remove it so possibly lost in the war? I dont want to replace it as it wouldnt be original to me, it wouldnt be the rifle he brought back.

07-25-2013, 09:52 AM	#15
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Mike, There is no possible way the take down disk fell out. It you were familiar with how these are installed in the stocks, this would be obvious. This was purposely removed, probably as part of an attempt to "sporterize" the K98, along with all the other changes.

07-25-2013, 10:06 AM	#16
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	What I would do is...new pics with better lighting. Alanint, I understood the disclaimer...but even with the poor pics...I could see the bluing shades on the Luger, and the light use rubes around the the corners of the model 1910...which will show up when he posts better pics. That is why we are having the fun in discussing the love affairs. No intent on any slam...if that was perceived. __________________ "Man muss manchmal in den sauren Apfel beißen"

07-25-2013, 10:29 AM	#17
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	What caliber is the Mauser pistol? Correct terms would be a M1910/34 if in 6.35mm or M1934 if in 7.65mm. The serial suffix of your G date appears to be a lower case "b", as all G dates were in the "a" to "f" suffix range. Th __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

07-25-2013, 10:50 AM	#19
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Mike, Take your photos in indirect (shaded) sunlight. use a tripod, and the closeup setting on your digital camera. Modifications (including cutting out the holster and any refinishing) reduce or eliminate any collector interest in a firearm or holster. Tom, the pocket pistol is in 6.35mm / .25acp. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-28-2013, 02:08 AM	#20
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Tom is correct in that it is a 1910/34 mauser and it is in .25 cal. It is also an extremely late serial number being in the high 425,900 block and very near the transition from Crown N to Eagle N proofs. Eagle N's are very, very rare and a better photo of yours in the area of the front right side would verify one way or the other. As to the originality of the finish, I tend to believe it original, but as previously stated better pictures would be of benefit.