What Year and Model Were Metal Bottoms First Used

cirelaw · 07-26-2013, 06:26 PM

I asked this question as in Luger, Tales Of The Gun above, a luger is featured with what looks like a metal base and I displayed below. Shouldn't it be a wooden base? Also I believe the round toggle was also suspect for use that early!~~Eric

mrerick · 07-26-2013, 08:13 PM

From Sturgess' book, (p1294) the first Aluminum bases were issued in 1925.

26 May 1925 they were adopted by the Army (Weimar).

Police use followed shortly after this.

This coincided with the 25 May 1925 Simson contract, which means that the Simson made Lugers should be the first with Aluminum bases.

According to Sturgess, all Mauser manufactured Lugers came with Aluminum based magazines. This must start with the 1934 "K" dates. It includes the blued steel body magazines, and Haenel manufactured milled body magazines. This would include nickel plated body magazines through 1937, and blued body magazines starting in 1936. Haenel milled magazines started becoming available in 1939-1940.

Marc

cirelaw · 07-26-2013, 08:31 PM

Obviously wrong! Should have been wooden! The toggle link itself should has been dished!

Ron Wood · 07-26-2013, 09:09 PM

Eric,
I think your question is not complete enough to answer. Was the Luger shown in the photo represented as being a Model 1900 used in early test trials? If so, you are quite correct that it is totally wrong.

cirelaw · 07-26-2013, 09:23 PM

Yes Ron that was exactly what they were portraying! Sorry for the fuzzy picture!

mrerick · 07-26-2013, 09:56 PM

Same quality research as the NRA Museum curator a couple of years ago...

There are so many assumptions made by people responsible for knowing, but that just plain don't have the background...

I guess that's where consulting experts come in. Perhaps the production didn't have the budget...

cirelaw · 07-26-2013, 10:22 PM

Here the 'consulting agents', if any failed! To the casual viewer no big deal. To all of us its more, its a part of our Lives. Whats amazing they interviewed three of the luger finest of the day!! Fred Datig and Charles Kenyan and even the late Ralph Shattuck and nobody noticed. I'm not nit picking. Being a prior trial attorney little obvious mistakes bug me the most and generlly they generally cost me even more. I know each of us depend on the experts for 'Luger Excellance' veracity and authenticism and we demand and deserve it!! PS I love it anyway!!!!!

Vlim · 07-27-2013, 10:10 AM

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According to Sturgess, all Mauser manufactured Lugers came with Aluminum based magazines.

Wrong. The Dutch contract lugers made by Mauser were supplied with wooden bases initially.

sheepherder · 07-27-2013, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

According to Sturgess, all Mauser manufactured Lugers came with Aluminum based magazines.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

Wrong. The Dutch contract lugers made by Mauser were supplied with wooden bases initially.

I have to wonder...Were any of the metal base magazines (of any year) made of Zamak (Zinc/aluminum alloy)???

Vlim · 07-27-2013, 10:56 AM

Zamac bottoms were introduced after WW2, during DDR production. The DDR made Haenel style P08 magazines have Zamac bottoms.

07-26-2013, 06:26 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	What Year and Model Were Metal Bottoms First Used I asked this question as in Luger, Tales Of The Gun above, a luger is featured with what looks like a metal base and I displayed below. Shouldn't it be a wooden base? Also I believe the round toggle was also suspect for use that early!~~Eric Attached Thumbnails

07-26-2013, 08:13 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	From Sturgess' book, (p1294) the first Aluminum bases were issued in 1925. 26 May 1925 they were adopted by the Army (Weimar). Police use followed shortly after this. This coincided with the 25 May 1925 Simson contract, which means that the Simson made Lugers should be the first with Aluminum bases. According to Sturgess, all Mauser manufactured Lugers came with Aluminum based magazines. This must start with the 1934 "K" dates. It includes the blued steel body magazines, and Haenel manufactured milled body magazines. This would include nickel plated body magazines through 1937, and blued body magazines starting in 1936. Haenel milled magazines started becoming available in 1939-1940. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-26-2013, 09:09 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Eric, I think your question is not complete enough to answer. Was the Luger shown in the photo represented as being a Model 1900 used in early test trials? If so, you are quite correct that it is totally wrong. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-26-2013, 09:23 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Yes Ron that was exactly what they were portraying! Sorry for the fuzzy picture! Attached Thumbnails

07-26-2013, 09:56 PM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Same quality research as the NRA Museum curator a couple of years ago... There are so many assumptions made by people responsible for knowing, but that just plain don't have the background... I guess that's where consulting experts come in. Perhaps the production didn't have the budget... __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-26-2013, 08:31 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Obviously wrong! Should have been wooden! The toggle link itself should has been dished!

07-26-2013, 10:22 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Here the 'consulting agents', if any failed! To the casual viewer no big deal. To all of us its more, its a part of our Lives. Whats amazing they interviewed three of the luger finest of the day!! Fred Datig and Charles Kenyan and even the late Ralph Shattuck and nobody noticed. I'm not nit picking. Being a prior trial attorney little obvious mistakes bug me the most and generlly they generally cost me even more. I know each of us depend on the experts for 'Luger Excellance' veracity and authenticism and we demand and deserve it!! PS I love it anyway!!!!!

07-27-2013, 10:56 AM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Zamac bottoms were introduced after WW2, during DDR production. The DDR made Haenel style P08 magazines have Zamac bottoms.