Unit marking on RC Simson blank chamber P. 08: "M.W./L.u.V.J.3."

318is_Parabellum · 08-04-2013, 07:39 PM

Hello,
2nd post on this forum.

I recently acquired a rather interesting P. 08, and I thought that posting about it here would help shed some light on it's past...

Simson blank chamber serial # 5827
Simson and Co. Suhl marked toggle, all matching with Simson E/6 proofs on all small parts (including axle pin) except:
-the ground, renumbered/force matched sideplate,
-9mm 4 inch crown/N marked (replacement) barrel (original E/6-proofed front sight present on replacement barrel)
-sear bar replaced with plum bar w/ obliterated mark

Partial 'circle X' mark on front of frame below serial number (Russian capture mark, correct?)

2 E/6 proofs on stock lug bottom
E/6, E/6, E/6 and Weimar Eagle (firing?) proof on R side of frame/'barrel extension
E. German extruded blued steel marked "2/1001' with ground and forced match Al bottom

Sarco import-marked just above R grip (poor fitting wood replacement grips, no E/6 proofs on grip screws)

UNIT MARKED on front grip strap:

M.W./L.u.V.J.3.

I suspect this is a Weimar-era Reichswehr unit marking, the "M.W." means 'minen werfer'/trench mortar if I am correct?

Help with interpreting this unit mark is much appreciated!!

Sorry for the wall of text, I wanted to be precise in my description!

I thank the experts present here for their opinions and observations regarding my pistol!

Edward Tinker · 08-04-2013, 07:48 PM

Excellent report, all the info I need for my database

I have a East German that started as a simson much like yours, except the toggle was replaced by a Erfurt toggle.

Not sure on unit marking.

Ed

318is_Parabellum · 08-04-2013, 08:11 PM

Any insight into the production date? 1929-1931 is my guess so far? Thanks!

Edward Tinker · 08-04-2013, 10:25 PM

Yes, my guess would be 1928 to 1929

08-04-2013, 07:39 PM	#1
318is_Parabellum User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: West Virginia Posts: 130 Thanks: 80 Thanked 75 Times in 31 Posts	Unit marking on RC Simson blank chamber P. 08: "M.W./L.u.V.J.3." Hello, 2nd post on this forum. I recently acquired a rather interesting P. 08, and I thought that posting about it here would help shed some light on it's past... Simson blank chamber serial # 5827 Simson and Co. Suhl marked toggle, all matching with Simson E/6 proofs on all small parts (including axle pin) except: -the ground, renumbered/force matched sideplate, -9mm 4 inch crown/N marked (replacement) barrel (original E/6-proofed front sight present on replacement barrel) -sear bar replaced with plum bar w/ obliterated mark Partial 'circle X' mark on front of frame below serial number (Russian capture mark, correct?) 2 E/6 proofs on stock lug bottom E/6, E/6, E/6 and Weimar Eagle (firing?) proof on R side of frame/'barrel extension E. German extruded blued steel marked "2/1001' with ground and forced match Al bottom Sarco import-marked just above R grip (poor fitting wood replacement grips, no E/6 proofs on grip screws) UNIT MARKED on front grip strap: M.W./L.u.V.J.3. I suspect this is a Weimar-era Reichswehr unit marking, the "M.W." means 'minen werfer'/trench mortar if I am correct? Help with interpreting this unit mark is much appreciated!! Sorry for the wall of text, I wanted to be precise in my description! I thank the experts present here for their opinions and observations regarding my pistol! Attached Thumbnails Last edited by 318is_Parabellum; 08-05-2013 at 02:57 AM. Reason: edited to add pics, add unit marks to title

08-04-2013, 07:48 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Excellent report, all the info I need for my database I have a East German that started as a simson much like yours, except the toggle was replaced by a Erfurt toggle. Not sure on unit marking. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-04-2013, 10:25 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Yes, my guess would be 1928 to 1929 __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-04-2013, 08:11 PM	#3
318is_Parabellum User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: West Virginia Posts: 130 Thanks: 80 Thanked 75 Times in 31 Posts	Any insight into the production date? 1929-1931 is my guess so far? Thanks!