Opinions on 1916

Tony Min · 08-25-2013, 11:18 PM

I made an offer on a DWM. I like it as it looks real pretty in the pictures but it is at least partially refinished.
What would be the value of something like this? I actually like original better but this sure is pretty. It is above my current budget.
It is all matching. The mag is a little questionable. But appears correct.
How about the grips? They look darn crisp for that age. They have no marks or numbers.

DavidJayUden · 08-25-2013, 11:41 PM

Without getting into every detail on it, the fact that it has been at least partially refinished sort of shoots the heck out of the collector value. Original finish on a nice WW1 gun might bring $1200-$1500, this one probably well under a grand, probably $700 or so, maybe $800. It's a good looking gun but resist paying much over my figures for this one, as it is a "shooter".
dju

alanint · 08-26-2013, 06:43 AM

No "partially" involved here. Every area visible in the photos has been refinished. The buffing, although light, did not respect crisp edges nor flat surfaces.

An $800 gun, at best.

Sergio Natali · 08-26-2013, 08:55 AM

Again another P.08 heavily refurbished all over. Also the grips do look too new.
Considering the date it was made and the fact that we have no idea of what it's like inside the barrel I would not even even know for sure if it is a shooter

NoncomRetired · 08-26-2013, 09:04 AM

Same one???????????????????????????????

http://www.gavingardiner.com/BidCat/...0006&LotRef=14

Sergio Natali · 08-26-2013, 09:42 AM

For what one can see, it looks the same, although the photo of the catalogue it's too small anyway.

NoncomRetired · 08-26-2013, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

For what one can see, it looks the same, although the photo of the catalogue it's too small anyway.

If both descriptions are correct, a 1916 DWM both with that serial#, it didn't sell at that auction in 2009. Not a very photo minded auction site, for sure. Having attended a few auctions in britian, unless the auction is south of London and you're in north Scotland, you can pretty much drive to auctions anywhere and examine the goods personally though.

ithacaartist · 08-26-2013, 11:06 AM

Let's hope it left Britain, where they do terrible things to collectible guns.

Geo99 · 08-28-2013, 12:39 AM

This O.P.'s gun is completely buffed and re-done, but not very well I think - too shiny!
The grips actually look old, they have enough wear, but if un-numbered, are probably not original to this gun. They do not fit correctly - see big gap at top left under sideplate, and small gap at bottom? On all my guns, the original grips fit so tight you have to jam them back on. I think because they tend to swell up over time.

- Geo

Geo99 · 08-28-2013, 12:42 AM

The gun in England doesn't look the same to me. The grips are different color - they may have just left the suffix letter off the description. And we don't know what the suffix is the first gun above either.

- Geo

08-25-2013, 11:18 PM	#1
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	Opinions on 1916 I made an offer on a DWM. I like it as it looks real pretty in the pictures but it is at least partially refinished. What would be the value of something like this? I actually like original better but this sure is pretty. It is above my current budget. It is all matching. The mag is a little questionable. But appears correct. How about the grips? They look darn crisp for that age. They have no marks or numbers.

08-26-2013, 06:43 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	No "partially" involved here. Every area visible in the photos has been refinished. The buffing, although light, did not respect crisp edges nor flat surfaces. An $800 gun, at best. Last edited by alanint; 08-26-2013 at 04:06 PM.

08-26-2013, 08:55 AM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Again another P.08 heavily refurbished all over. Also the grips do look too new. Considering the date it was made and the fact that we have no idea of what it's like inside the barrel I would not even even know for sure if it is a shooter __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

08-26-2013, 09:42 AM	#6
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	For what one can see, it looks the same, although the photo of the catalogue it's too small anyway. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

08-26-2013, 11:06 AM	#8
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Let's hope it left Britain, where they do terrible things to collectible guns. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

08-25-2013, 11:41 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Without getting into every detail on it, the fact that it has been at least partially refinished sort of shoots the heck out of the collector value. Original finish on a nice WW1 gun might bring $1200-$1500, this one probably well under a grand, probably $700 or so, maybe $800. It's a good looking gun but resist paying much over my figures for this one, as it is a "shooter". dju

08-26-2013, 09:04 AM	#5
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	Same one??????????????????????????????? http://www.gavingardiner.com/BidCat/...0006&LotRef=14

08-28-2013, 12:39 AM	#9
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	This O.P.'s gun is completely buffed and re-done, but not very well I think - too shiny! The grips actually look old, they have enough wear, but if un-numbered, are probably not original to this gun. They do not fit correctly - see big gap at top left under sideplate, and small gap at bottom? On all my guns, the original grips fit so tight you have to jam them back on. I think because they tend to swell up over time. - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

08-28-2013, 12:42 AM	#10
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	The gun in England doesn't look the same to me. The grips are different color - they may have just left the suffix letter off the description. And we don't know what the suffix is the first gun above either. - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers