Another Old 1906 sailor

gunbugs · 09-11-2013, 11:22 PM

Recently aquired this one. My first Luger. Always wanted a Navy, they just seemed the best proportioned of the Luger clan. Appears as though it may have been refinished at the time of alteration, as the proofs seem a little "soft". Plus the lower Gesichert is blued over. But other than that, everything seems in order. All the metal matches, although the grips were replaced somewhere along the line, but fit nicely and are consummate with the age and overall condition. If anyone out there has Navy mag #4233a and would part with it, that would be great.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-11-2013, 11:28 PM

Doug, Looks like a sweet one to me!

Norme · 09-12-2013, 02:53 AM

Hi Doug, Welcome to the forum! It's always nice to see a previously unrecorded Navy. If you email me I will send you a link to the full Navy List which has all known Imperial Navies, some 1,500 guns. There is no orphan magazine #4233 listed (Navy mags do not have suffix letters), but there are several that are close.
May we see close-up photos of the proofs on the left receiver and the barrel serial number?
Thanks, Norm
[email protected]

Ron Wood · 09-12-2013, 11:00 AM

In addition to Norm's photo requests it would be interesting to see a photo of the thumb safety in the down position.
Thanks
Ron

gunbugs · 09-12-2013, 03:53 PM

The sun came out this morning, so I was able to get some better close ups. Here are the photos you guys requested. Hope to get it to the range in the next day or two. The bore is excellent. Thanks!

rhuff · 09-12-2013, 05:19 PM

Well for a first Luger, I will have to say that you hit a home run!! You have yourself a real beauty.....Enjoy!!

Norme · 09-12-2013, 05:41 PM

Hi Doug, Apart from not seeing halos on the barrel serial numbers, this gun does not look refinished to me. Can you post more photos of those numbers, they should look like these. It makes a big difference in value.
Regards, Norm

gunbugs · 09-12-2013, 06:52 PM

As close as I can get with my cheap little camera.

Ron Wood · 09-12-2013, 08:29 PM

Thank you for the additional photos. That is the only First Issue Altered that I have seen where the original GESICHERT in the lower position was still visible and not machined away. Nice example and I agree with you that it has been refininshed, but very well...I would be pleased to have it.

Norme · 09-13-2013, 02:41 AM

Hi Doug, Thanks for the new photo. I don't see a crown/M on the bottom of the barrel, if it's not there the barrel is a replacement.
Regards, Norm

alanint · 09-13-2013, 08:05 AM

There is a Crown/M above the serial number and below the "Germany" import mark on Doug's pistol.

(see last photo in post #5)

gunbugs · 09-14-2013, 02:38 AM

It got washed out by the sun in the second photo....but it is there.

Sergio Natali · 09-14-2013, 04:26 AM

First of all welcome to this Forum, then congratulations it seems a beautiful Luger, and surely a big step as a "first Luger" to buy.
The photos maybe are not spectacular but you seem to have got a lovely thing, that IF it was refininshed they made a pretty good work.

gunbugs · 11-18-2013, 06:05 PM

Took it out to the range yesterday and ran a couple mags of ammo through it. Functioned flawlessly and accuracy was very good, (considering my eyesight). I dropped in a replacement extractor, ejector and firing pin to keep the originals from wear/breakage. Fun to shoot, though I doubt I will shoot it much, probably once or twice a year. Ordered a stock and holster rig from CMR, as an original is "unobtanium". Cheers, Doug

John Sabato · 11-19-2013, 10:06 AM

VERY VERY Nice... Congrats! Must be beginner's luck on your first one to find one so very well cared for...

09-11-2013, 11:22 PM	#1
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	Another Old 1906 sailor Recently aquired this one. My first Luger. Always wanted a Navy, they just seemed the best proportioned of the Luger clan. Appears as though it may have been refinished at the time of alteration, as the proofs seem a little "soft". Plus the lower Gesichert is blued over. But other than that, everything seems in order. All the metal matches, although the grips were replaced somewhere along the line, but fit nicely and are consummate with the age and overall condition. If anyone out there has Navy mag #4233a and would part with it, that would be great. Attached Thumbnails

09-11-2013, 11:28 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Doug, Looks like a sweet one to me! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-12-2013, 05:41 PM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Doug, Apart from not seeing halos on the barrel serial numbers, this gun does not look refinished to me. Can you post more photos of those numbers, they should look like these. It makes a big difference in value. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2013, 06:52 PM	#8
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	As close as I can get with my cheap little camera. Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2013, 08:29 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Thank you for the additional photos. That is the only First Issue Altered that I have seen where the original GESICHERT in the lower position was still visible and not machined away. Nice example and I agree with you that it has been refininshed, but very well...I would be pleased to have it. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-12-2013, 02:53 AM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Doug, Welcome to the forum! It's always nice to see a previously unrecorded Navy. If you email me I will send you a link to the full Navy List which has all known Imperial Navies, some 1,500 guns. There is no orphan magazine #4233 listed (Navy mags do not have suffix letters), but there are several that are close. May we see close-up photos of the proofs on the left receiver and the barrel serial number? Thanks, Norm [email protected]

09-12-2013, 11:00 AM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	In addition to Norm's photo requests it would be interesting to see a photo of the thumb safety in the down position. Thanks Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-12-2013, 03:53 PM	#5
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	The sun came out this morning, so I was able to get some better close ups. Here are the photos you guys requested. Hope to get it to the range in the next day or two. The bore is excellent. Thanks! Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2013, 05:19 PM	#6
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	Well for a first Luger, I will have to say that you hit a home run!! You have yourself a real beauty.....Enjoy!!

09-13-2013, 02:41 AM	#10
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Doug, Thanks for the new photo. I don't see a crown/M on the bottom of the barrel, if it's not there the barrel is a replacement. Regards, Norm

09-13-2013, 08:05 AM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	There is a Crown/M above the serial number and below the "Germany" import mark on Doug's pistol. (see last photo in post #5)

09-14-2013, 02:38 AM	#12
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	It got washed out by the sun in the second photo....but it is there.

09-14-2013, 04:26 AM	#13
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	First of all welcome to this Forum, then congratulations it seems a beautiful Luger, and surely a big step as a "first Luger" to buy. The photos maybe are not spectacular but you seem to have got a lovely thing, that IF it was refininshed they made a pretty good work. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-18-2013, 06:05 PM	#14
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	Took it out to the range yesterday and ran a couple mags of ammo through it. Functioned flawlessly and accuracy was very good, (considering my eyesight). I dropped in a replacement extractor, ejector and firing pin to keep the originals from wear/breakage. Fun to shoot, though I doubt I will shoot it much, probably once or twice a year. Ordered a stock and holster rig from CMR, as an original is "unobtanium". Cheers, Doug

11-19-2013, 10:06 AM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	VERY VERY Nice... Congrats! Must be beginner's luck on your first one to find one so very well cared for... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*